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Originally Posted by JohnR7
My "formal education" has been in creationism. I am a creationist, not a evolutionist. You could talk to Dr Wise, he has has a formal education in evolution.
His field of study is Paleontology, the study of fossils.

While he believes in creationism, even he states there is no evidence for it.
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
I told you, because he does not want to waste his time on a email that has nothing to do with the work he is doing.
And why should we place any stock in your anonymous source?

The point is that there are LOTS of people like him. The universities are filled with creationists that keep quiet about it rather then to squabble over it. They do not see any reason to waste time on this sort of thing and the Bible would tend to confirm that.
The point is that you had anything, you'd name it. Instead you've conjured an army of nameless phantoms to create an illusion of popularity -- and zero facts.

Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
And yet here you are.
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
He does not get involved with evolution because evolution is a waste of time.
Well, that's a rather steep claim, given the massive amount of research AND DEVELOPMENT going on, based on the Scientific Theory of Evolution. Are you saying that biomedical research and development, and agricultural research and development are all waste of time?
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Originally Posted by steen
Well, that's a rather steep claim, given the massive amount of research AND DEVELOPMENT going on, based on the Scientific Theory of Evolution. Are you saying that biomedical research and development, and agricultural research and development are all waste of time?
Well I think saying that it is a waste of time is a bit ruff. Although because I believe Evolution is a Theory that is wrong, I believe that it really is a waste of time. Purely because I don't see a point in spending a massive amount of time on a thing that isn't true. That is my personal opinion though. I don't wish to insult anyone by saying that. A waste of time to me, could mean all the time in the world to another.
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Well I think saying that it is a waste of time is a bit ruff. Although because I believe Evolution is a Theory that is wrong, I believe that it really is a waste of time. Purely because I don't see a point in spending a massive amount of time on a thing that isn't true. That is my personal opinion though. I don't wish to insult anyone by saying that. A waste of time to me, could mean all the time in the world to another.
On what theory should Archer Daniels Midland and Bristol Meyers Squibb, to naame but two,base there millions of dollars of research money, if evolution is such a waste of time.

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If you think evolution is a waste of time, please explain why.

Imagine a man chopping wood with an axe. He has been doing this for a long time. He has always used an axe, cause chopping wood with your bare hands simply does not work that well. Now imagine another guy comes along and tells him: "That axe is USELESS." The man holding the axe looks at the axe, then looks at the man, then looks at the axe again. He sais: "Really? Then what have I been chopping wood with?"

People who use evolution every day really find it IDIOTIC when people come along and say that the theory of evolution is useless.

Heres an argument for you:
1) If evolution was useless, it would be useless.
2) Evolution has uses.
3) Thus, (from 1 and 2) evolution is not useless.

If you are unable to follow this argument, how do you manage to breathe?
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
William Dembski tells us that there was a time when evolution's theory went almost unchallanged. But now not only is there a organized opposition, but students also are becoming more educated and aware of the theory and how to argue against it.

I think it is clear that Dembski feels that evolution is losing ground and is not as unrestricted as it once was.


People can argue against evolution but have been completely unsuccesful. Any organism made of atoms will be subject to evolution. IT is a game played with INFORMATION.
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
Then why is it that my friend says he never studied evolution when he is a Associate Professor of Physiology and has a Phd in Physiology. In fact he is president of the Physiology association. He does not accept evolutionary theory. He is busy with his work and he does not have time to get involved with evolutionary theory one way or the other. My Biology teacher was a graduate of Harvard, and he never mentioned evolutionary theory.

I think that perhaps evolutions like to exaggerate just how important their theory really is.
Wow...your PHYSIOLOGY teacher never learned Evolution? And...and...your Biology teacher never mentioned it? ***....***....this entire world has gone to the dogs.
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Originally Posted by I_Love_Cheese

While he believes in creationism, even he states there is no evidence for it.
He says there is no scientific evidence for a young earth. He does believe in a 6,000 year old earth and he feels that he has good reason to beleive that way. AS a GAP I beleive there is lots of evidence for a young earth, but we do not have any problems with there being a old earth here also.



(AgapePress) - A Young Earth creationist will be replacing a leading intelligent design (ID) proponent as director of the Center for Theology and Science at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky.The new center will be led by Dr. Kurt Wise.

As a creationist who holds a master's degree and a doctorate in paleontology, Wise contends that scripture provides what is by far the best evidence for creation. "I'm very interested in the specific claims the Bible makes about science," he notes, "and I'm less interested in the secular world's response to those things."http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/1396236.html
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I meant that Evolution was a waste of time to me. I have no interest in it, purely because I don't believe in it. However, I think it's important that people learn different theories of how humans and earth etc. came to be. Knowledge is a good thing. I just believe in what the Bible says about creation. I don't believe that we evolved from apes. I can't bring myself to believe that we just magically evolved into a greater being. Humans are so complex, the world is so complex. These things just don't happen, these things just don't evolve into being. The more you study, the more you realize there really is a higher power. I believe that the earth is young. As far as fossils etc. go. That process is a fast one. It's not one that takes millions and billions of years to accomplish. I do believe that there were dinosaurs. I just believe that we are talking more like thousands of years. I believe that the flood, was the result of the fossils. But hey, that's my opinion.
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