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Most Intelligent Designers believe in evolution and most evolutionists believe in intelligent design. The question is how do they define intelligent design or designer. Evolution is a word in our dictionary, so it is just a question of how you define that word.
90% of the people beleive in God. The question is how much is God an active part of our lives. There are people who believe the universe is a wind up toy. God created it, but then He stands off at a distance and lets it play itself out.
Semantic games. Come back when you're ready to play with the terms as they are.
Originally Posted by JohnR7
Then why is it that my friend says he never studied evolution when he is a Associate Professor of Physiology and has a Phd in Physiology. In fact he is president of the Physiology association. He does not accept evolutionary theory. He is busy with his work and he does not have time to get involved with evolutionary theory one way or the other. My Biology teacher was a graduate of Harvard, and he never mentioned evolutionary theory.
I think that perhaps evolutions like to exaggerate just how important their theory really is.
Unfortunately for you, this is not the case. Evolution is the unifying principle of biology.
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So does that mean when evolution is falsified all of biology falls apart? I don't think so. It is a teaching aid. But it has no other use in the real world.
Why do students have to feel like they need to "shore up religious faith" against evolution in the first place? Because of people like Dembski. As soon as they have the knowledge to realize that ID and creationism just don't work they're going to have an even greater crisis of faith ever. Why don't people like Dembski care when people point out holes in their plan. Why do people like Dembski continually insist, as he does here, that evolution (oh, sorry Darwinism) is something accepted only by atheists, despite the protests of people like myself?
You want young people to be able to shore up their faith? Teach them the meaning of mythology. Give them an appreciation for the beauty and truth that may lie in even non-literal stories. Stop teaching them the lie that any information that contradicts something that student accepts must be refuted or his faith is bunk.
John, you know none of these claims are true, and you've been called on them on a number of times. Creationism/ID does not have 90% adherance nor was evolution ever an "unchallenged orthodoxy" as Deminiski paints, nor is evolution without practical application.
Further, Deminiski and IDiots love to try and claim that ID victory is just around the corner, but that's just propoganda - the reality is that they've failed miserably and ever since Dover, ID has been effectively dead.
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Why do students have to feel like they need to "shore up religious faith" against evolution in the first place?
Yeah I don't understand that either. For a guy presenting a secular theory, this seems like an blatant assertion of the tired old creationist "religion and evolution are incompable" argument as well as an appeal to persecution.
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Then why is it that my friend says he never studied evolution when he is a Associate Professor of Physiology and has a Phd in Physiology. In fact he is president of the Physiology association. He does not accept evolutionary theory. He is busy with his work and he does not have time to get involved with evolutionary theory one way or the other. My Biology teacher was a graduate of Harvard, and he never mentioned evolutionary theory.
Really? Facinating!
Who is this friend of yours, and where is he an Associate Professor? What "Physiology Association" is he president of?
Who is this biology teacher? Where did he teach biology? Why didn't teach evolution? Was he pressured into not teaching it? Was this an Evangelical Christian college or univeristy?
Originally Posted by JohnR7
I think that perhaps evolutions like to exaggerate just how important their theory really is.
I think perhaps you just want to trivialize evolution to make it easier to cripple the teaching of evolution.
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So does that mean when evolution is falsified all of biology falls apart? I don't think so. It is a teaching aid. But it has no other use in the real world.
A great deal of what I and my colleagues do in genetics relies upon evolution; the data make no sense if evolution isn't true. So evolution may not matter in your world, but in mine it is crucially important.
So does that mean when evolution is falsified all of biology falls apart? I don't think so. It is a teaching aid. But it has no other use in the real world.
So does that mean when relativity is falsified all of physics falls apart?
Remember something I said about conclusions? You're wrong, John, evolution is the central organizing principle of biology, and biologists know that.
Thankfully, you have no say over what they do.
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Why do people like Dembski continually insist, as he does here, that evolution (oh, sorry Darwinism) is something accepted only by atheists, despite the protests of people like myself?
Because it makes him money.
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