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Your comment mirrors how a good portion of the people on this board feel most of the time. Get used to it. If you manage to hang around long enough (and its not as easy as it sounds,) you will see things posted here that will make you want to bang your head against a wall, and make you wonder "what rock did that dude just crawl out from under???"
Good luck and i hope you have tough skin...you will need it...
Reps to you!!! (for trying to argue with someone who will never believe in science unless science says "God did it")
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(for trying to argue with someone who will never believe in science unless science says "God did it")
Yes, yes!! the answer to this thread is - for the OP's sake is "goddidit!"
If you beleive in god - then he was the one who created all the physical laws in which this universe is run by - including gravity.
That being, im sure god would like YOU (AngryNotice) to study the wonderful science - a.k.a PHYSICS behind all this..
EDITED: lol, sorry forgot the OPs name
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Oh, cut the bleeding heart crap, will ya? We've all got our switches, lights, and knobs to deal with, Striker. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights, blinking and beeping and flashing - they're *flashing* and they're *beeping*. I can't stand it anymore! They're *blinking* and *beeping* and *flashing*! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug!
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You conflate Gravity with Evolution?
You are either the biggest parody of a YEC literalist or you are one of those "Mongo hate science...Mongo must smash science" types who glory in their own ignorance.
Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later - a fundie so full of blind, irrational hatred for evolution that it actually spills over into the other sciences.
Let's see if we can get a discussion going on chemistry -- The theory of covalent bonds should really get him frothing at the mouth.
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Check his posting history -- I'm 98% sure he's the real thing.
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Don't talk like one of them. You're not! Even if you'd like to be.
To them, you're just a freak, like me! They need you right now, but when they don't, they'll cast you out, like a leper! You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.
See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.
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Check his posting history -- I'm 98% sure he's the real thing.
88.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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I don't know why you think we don't know about Gravity. Its been observered and studied for hundreds of years.
The major issue at the moment is that no one has tied it inot quantum mechanics. All the other forces (electromagnatic, strong and weak nuclear forces) have a quantum model with exchange particles. No oen has yet worked out how and even if gravity fits. But I'm willing to be there are lots of people working on it, because whoever does will have their name in physics history.
But we can model gravity very effectively. A better analogy is to say we know gravity is a vehicle, we know its top speed, max acceleration and break horse power, but we do not know if it is a car or some other form of transport.
Oh come on folks there is no way anyone in the 21st century wouldn’t know the answer to this question! I don’t know how much more obvious AN has to be in demonstrating he is a parody!
Originally Posted by AngryNotice
so just to clarify, you guys dont know what causes gravity, or how it works, but you know the laws of it??
Just for the larkers out there because this gives us a very good in for explaining something genuine creationists don’t understand. Exactly! A law describes something that we always see when the conditions are met, therefore we can have a law and understand that it is one and what results it has without understanding WHY the law works. The WHY is the theory, that's what theory means to scientists. Theories do not graduate into laws, they explain the whys of a law.
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just curious if anyone can explain these errors that many people are aware of when it comes to the theory of gravity
Okay, so I've decided to waste my time a bit and try to explain these fallacies that you claim most people are aware of (and in some strange way, scientists are not, but I'll let you live with that).
number 1. the way gravity reads, scientists have you think that objects of larger mass would have more of a gravitational pull then objects of smaller mass. so tell me how this makes sense
Actually, in a way, that is incorrect. I'm guessing you are not aware of the fact that gravitational force is a force BETWEEN TWO bodies, proportional to their masses. Meaning that gravitational force of two smaller bodies can be bigger than the one of one extremely enornous and one extremely small body. Gravity does not exist by itself, it exists between two bodies. Meaning, you can't measure gravity per se, only interaction between two masses, a pull of one mass towards the other.
when we look at the sun we see the earth orbiting the sun, and the moon obriting the earth. if gravity were true, shouldnt our moon be orbiting the sun??? oh better yet, how come a planet way out in the distance such as neptune will orbit the sun, yet its moons will not orbit the sun??? something is wrong here, even at thise immense distances the moons will orbit the planets and not the sun, yet the suns "gravity" is strong enough supposedly to keep the planets in orbit.
You have already been warned about another variable in the gravitational force equation - distance. And square distance, believe it or not (I remember first measurements of Coulomb's force gave (1.95+/-0.05), if I recall correctly; does anyone know if anything similar was done with Newton's law?). Meaning, two small masses can pull each other way more if they're close than two enormous masses if they're extremely far away. By your logic, we can look at another star that is something like 30 times bigger than the Sun and it should pull all of us, but the distance tells us that the star, no matter how humongous it is, actually doesn't do much to us, since it's too far away. You just put the numbers in the equation and see which result is bigger. Also, I see another fallacy, and that is that you think that gravity is, in fact, a force that causes bodies to spin around each other, which is completely false. Gravity just causes the bodies to feel attraction towards one another. There are completely different conditions involved with the spinning of one thing around the other.
The thing is that gravity is, in fact, enough for Earth not to be able to run away from the Sun, as well as Moon from the Earth, and I'm guessing from the Sun as well (that should be calculated, and I've never done it, but considering the fact of all those asteroids spinning around, I'm guessing, sans Earth, Moon would still not be able to run away from the Sun).
Mind you, Jupiter's or Saturn's mass is way bigger than any of their moons' masses are. So, yes, first of all, their masses trapped all those little ones, and if we add a thing called momentum preservation, we see that, in fact, even though they all pull each other, interact and so on, the planets are too inert to be moved as easily around as their moons. Inertia is a property of mass. As is gravity. Those two are, in a way, equal, but I refuse to go that way.
number 2. why is it, only planets have orbits?? you could put a space shuttle in outter space and a astronaut will not orbit it. you could put the smallest pebbble into outter space and it will not orbit the space shuttle. why is this???? if gravity were true then surely such small objects would orbit larger ones, especially in space
Once again, gravity has NOTHING to do with orbits. Innitial velocities of the bodies trapped by gravity do. Imagine this, you put a bead on a string and hold the string. You can push the bead straight ahead, but it will start spinning as the string is holding it not to fly away. String is the gravity, the first straight push is the innitial velocity. The final result is the circular motion. And I'm guessing you know a thing or two about forces, as none of the kids older than 11 I've ever met have continued to hold their Aristotle-way misconceptions. You're not 10, are you?
If gravity is too small, for instance, between an astronaut and the shuttle, it's like the string is too weak, and it breaks, the bead continues to fly straight ahead. Just like if the astronaut pushed himself somewhere, the gravity between the shuttle and himself is not enough to keep him near. But, Earth and Sun are more alike truck pulling chains, and not so much strings.
number 3. on earth we see things that defy "gravity" on a daily basis. birds and airplanes for example. are you going to tell me that the gravity of the sun is strong enough to keep PLUTo in orbit but not an airplane or a little bird??????
Once again, Pluto's orbit is the interaction between his innitial velocity and gravitational force between Pluto and the Sun. If Pluto's innitial velocity were too small, it would spiral straight into Sun, and if it were too big, it would get out from the solar system. Believe it or not, that didn't happen. It's still here.
Plane does not defy gravity. On the contrary - it needs engines which are extremely strong, and a few other pressure effects, which nill the gravity, or even turn the final result into a minus, from gravity's POV.
Mind you, Earth keeps us nicely "in orbit". Have you ever seen a human being walking away from Earth without something similar to turbo jets? Why is that? You tell me.
number 4. scientists dont know how gravity works. or what it really is, and even then we see anaomolies in space that defy gravity
They may not know for sure what gravity exactly is, but that is not the point at all. There are theories that still need to be validated. Generally, they're all for the theory of everything, but nothing can be proven so far. I, myself, have no idea how exactly finding of the gravitons has to do with ToE, but I'll leave that to those who actually managed to get their PhD's specializing exactly those fields. If you've ever seen the math behind any introductory course to that problematic, you'd keep your mouth shut, trust me.
And, would you please name those anomalies in space that defy gravity? I don't remember seeing any, and trust me, I'd LOVE to.
so my point is that gravity(like other scientifist "tHeories" is very on shaky grounds. it doesnt have the evidnece to back it up, and when examined critically it falls under the pressure(no pun intended )
Under what pressure? After what examination? How well do you know even the starting experiments leading into that problematic? Have you ever seen the experiment done to calculate the gravitational constant? How do you explain the balls moving, then? How do you explain the pendulum? Or the satellites? Or the planes and the birds and the bees or whatever you want? How do you think scales work? Or how did scientists, then, measure the mass of the known universe? Are gravitational lens then Satan's invention? How does Mercury orbit the Sun?
Should I go on? Answer these questions to me first, and then we'll talk some more. Before you are able to do that, I'd suggest you not claim that any scientific theory falls thorough examination. Because, trust me, I have A LOT MORE questions that need to be answered then. And "goddidit" doesn't work with me.
show me a pebble that orbits a mountain or a bird that orbits the earth and then gravity will make sense. or better yet just show me how gravity works(if it works at all) and then maybe it will be more than just a theory
Gravity and orbiting have NOTHING (well, almost nothing) to do with each other. And if you want to know how gravity works, we can push you off the 10th floor, and you might just find out.
If you don't like that, then I'd suggest you take a space suit and walk your way towards Moon. Can't do it? Why? Since when is gravity holding YOU back?
how do you evolutionsts explain gravity???
They don't. I don't see any reason why they would. But nuclear physicists, elementary particle physicists, quantum physicists, and even solid state and a lot of applied sciences ones could. And quite thoroughly, if I may add.
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