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11th June 2006, 10:54 PM
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His point is that we don't really know anything. By showing this he can lower all knowledge to the level of what he claims and teach it all with the same weight. Gravity or angels pulling planets around. All just as likely...
What fun when the only option to teach your opinions is to make all opinions equally foolish.
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11th June 2006, 10:57 PM
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Reps: 295,212,687,427,838,720 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Phred His point is that we don't really know anything. By showing this he can lower all knowledge to the level of what he claims and teach it all with the same weight. Gravity or angels pulling planets around. All just as likely...
Let's not forget Iggy the Magic Elf! What fun when the only option to teach your opinions is to make all opinions equally foolish.
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11th June 2006, 11:22 PM
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The formula actually was scentifically tested and found to be a close approximation to the effects of the gravitional force, not "exact" although. For example the orbit of Mercury does not obey the equation, but the mathematics from some Swiss dude that do explain it are slightly above my head.
Edit: Sorry I said Austrian instead of Swiss.
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11th June 2006, 11:56 PM
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A few people have said that the earth's orbit is constant and that it isn't falling into the sun. But it is falling, isn't it?
I've been reading Brian Greene's The Elegent Universe, and in the first part he explained how objects may create "depressions" in spacetime, which are illustrated in two-dimensional terms as a dip in a grid.
You know those huge funnels they have in malls where you roll a penny around the rim and watch it slowly spiral into the hole? That's what I pictured when I read that chapter. And I thought I heard somewhere that the earth will eventually fall into the sun, just like that penny, but it will take a very, very long time.
Did I understand that much correctly? |
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Reps: 106 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by azmurath No, stop being ignorant and read a science book, until then I will post where I like.
thats what it all boils down too doesnt it? just read a science book and follow blindly whatever the evolutionists say? sorry, im what you call open minded and willing to look at other options before shutting my mouth and accepting whatever told to me in a book(unless its the Word of God) especially when im being told how little is actually known about gravity  Originally Posted by Maxwell511 The formula actually was scentifically tested and found to be a close approximation to the effects of the gravitional force, not "exact" although. For example the orbit of Mercury does not obey the equation, but the mathematics from some Swiss dude that do explain it are slightly above my head.
has scientists ever created a planet and a sun in a labratory to watch the effects of gravity??? if not how can they be so sure it happens at a larger level |
12th June 2006, 12:03 AM
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Why would they need to create a planet and sun in the lab to watch the effects of gravity?
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12th June 2006, 12:09 AM
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A few people have said that the earth's orbit is constant and that it isn't falling into the sun. But it is falling, isn't it?
I've been reading Brian Greene's The Elegent Universe, and in the first part he explained how objects may create "depressions" in spacetime, which are illustrated in two-dimensional terms as a dip in a grid.
You know those huge funnels they have in malls where you roll a penny around the rim and watch it slowly spiral into the hole? That's what I pictured when I read that chapter. And I thought I heard somewhere that the earth will eventually fall into the sun, just like that penny, but it will take a very, very long time.
Did I understand that much correctly?
Yes, that is basically correct, we will slowly sporal toward the sun. However, before we really get very far, the sun will change from it's current form to a Red Giant, which will be so large that where the earth is now, will be inside of the sun's surface and so will probably die a marshmallows death before it crashes. Don't worry too much, this won't happen for about another 12 Billion years. |
12th June 2006, 12:16 AM
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Reps: 596,997,442,336,088 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AngryNotice thats what it all boils down too doesnt it? just read a science book and follow blindly whatever the evolutionists say? sorry, im what you call open minded and willing to look at other options before shutting my mouth and accepting whatever told to me in a book(unless its the Word of God) especially when im being told how little is actually known about gravity
Enough said. You dont think about faith because you are told it is a sin, and you dont think about science because you think it is a plot by the evil evolutionists (almost all Christians beleive in gravity), but you are too paranoid about gravity? Oh come on, you could at least put in a little spice by saying something like the color spectrum is wrong, but gravity? That is too easy, and anyone who doesnt believe it should really be forced to either have another educated or be treated as if they have a mentally handicapped person. (Most of which beleive in gravity).
Gravity is a theory supported by facts, most theories will always stay theories because there is ALWAYS a small chance they might fail in any given scenario. There are facts and equations that we use however that explain waht happends because of gravity, and they work nearly 100% of the time, and by nearly I mean by 1 x 10 ^ -30 minus 100% of the time. For the majority of everything we will ever work with, gravity works.
What is your purpose as to trying to debunk gravity? Are you trying to show that science is somehow wrong on everything? If so, how do you explain the modern world: automobiles, airplanes, atomic bombs... the computer you are sitting at? Did they just magically poof into existance alongside men? |
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Reps: 1,197,048,778,347,054 (power: 1,197,048,778,360) | | Originally Posted by Battie Can I jump in with a question of my own?
A few people have said that the earth's orbit is constant and that it isn't falling into the sun. But it is falling, isn't it?
I've been reading Brian Greene's The Elegent Universe, and in the first part he explained how objects may create "depressions" in spacetime, which are illustrated in two-dimensional terms as a dip in a grid.
You know those huge funnels they have in malls where you roll a penny around the rim and watch it slowly spiral into the hole? That's what I pictured when I read that chapter. And I thought I heard somewhere that the earth will eventually fall into the sun, just like that penny, but it will take a very, very long time.
Did I understand that much correctly?
A orbiting object can either:
1. Spiral into the centre
2. Remain in constant orbit
3. Spiral away from the centre.
It all depends on the velocity. The example of the coin is that it's velocity is not enough to put it into 2 or 3. You could, for example giving the right circumstances, throw the coin in so fast that it would ramp up the other side of the curved shape. The problem with earthbound orbits is that they have friction to deal with and therefore loose energy and therefore fall into catergory 1 if they cannot originally escape the "basin".
I don't know which type of orbit the earth has but I do know that the moon has the type 3 orbit (it is spirally away from us).
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