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just curious if anyone can explain these errors that many people are aware of when it comes to the theory of gravity
number 1. the way gravity reads, scientists have you think that objects of larger mass would have more of a gravitational pull then objects of smaller mass. so tell me how this makes sense
when we look at the sun we see the earth orbiting the sun, and the moon obriting the earth. if gravity were true, shouldnt our moon be orbiting the sun??? oh better yet, how come a planet way out in the distance such as neptune will orbit the sun, yet its moons will not orbit the sun??? something is wrong here, even at thise immense distances the moons will orbit the planets and not the sun, yet the suns "gravity" is strong enough supposedly to keep the planets in orbit.
number 2. why is it, only planets have orbits?? you could put a space shuttle in outter space and a astronaut will not orbit it. you could put the smallest pebbble into outter space and it will not orbit the space shuttle. why is this???? if gravity were true then surely such small objects would orbit larger ones, especially in space
number 3. on earth we see things that defy "gravity" on a daily basis. birds and airplanes for example. are you going to tell me that the gravity of the sun is strong enough to keep PLUTo in orbit but not an airplane or a little bird??????
number 4. scientists dont know how gravity works. or what it really is, and even then we see anaomolies in space that defy gravity
so my point is that gravity(like other scientifist "tHeories" is very on shaky grounds. it doesnt have the evidnece to back it up, and when examined critically it falls under the pressure(no pun intended )
show me a pebble that orbits a mountain or a bird that orbits the earth and then gravity will make sense. or better yet just show me how gravity works(if it works at all) and then maybe it will be more than just a theory
Yeah, but we're the minority. Most Americans have a poor to average science education. Most Americans don't care about science or think its not important. Then there's a few Americans that actually want to worsen American's science education system (IDer's and Creationists that try to actively change the science standards).
If that happens then my children are going to be homeschooled by me.
so seeing that no one knows that much about gravity, why should it be tought in school??? isnt it unfair for you guys to push your theories onto them and then not be able to fully explain what youer saying is fact??
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Mod, could you please close this topic? It is just... stupid and the OP is irrational.
is this an admittal of defeat??? dont post in my threads if you ahve nothing to contribute thanks
so seeing that no one knows that much about gravity, why should it be tought in school??? isnt it unfair for you guys to push your theories onto them and then not be able to fully explain what youer saying is fact??
is this an admittal of defeat??? dont post in my threads if you ahve nothing to contribute thanks
We know quite a lot about gravity. Just consider modern telecomunication. All those satelites would not work if we weren´t able to calculate their orbits and the forces that work on them correctly.
Those formulas that were posted here are tried and tested. The concepts that were shown do work. All the time. That scientists are not sure yet why they work is no reason to disregard the already existing knowledge.
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so seeing that no one knows that much about gravity, why should it be tought in school???
People have already explained, but here goes: gravity is an attractive force between atoms at a distance. For example, two marbles positioned a foot away from each other will have more of a gravitational pull on each other than two marbles of the same mass positioned two feet away and so forth.
Gravity as a force most certainly exists, and is easily observed - for example, apples fall to the ground, moons orbit planets, and planets orbit stars, and so forth.
What isn't known is exactly why matter has an attractive force with other matter, but there are ongoing attempts to figure that out.
However, the problem in this thread seems to be the absurd idea that if someone does not understand (or doesn't take the time to learn) the concept of gravity, then it isn't correct. This is called an argument from ignorance.
If you don't care to understand the subject, then why should people bother to explain it to you?
isnt it unfair for you guys to push your theories onto them and then not be able to fully explain what youer saying is fact??
Yes, yes. Teaching readily observed and obvious facts, what horrible persecution.
is this an admittal of defeat???
Heh. Tilting at windmills is a battle only in the eyes of Don Quixote, to everyone else, it's folly. You'd have an easier time punching the ground into unconsciousness than "winning" this argument - the fact remains: no one fights reality and wins.
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Last edited by Hydra009; 11th June 2006 at 10:32 PM.
Well, for one thing, if gravity had been taught in YOUR school you wouldn't have had to come here and ask us basic questions about it. Seems like a good argument in the favor of teaching science to me.
so seeing that no one knows that much about gravity, why should it be tought in school??? isnt it unfair for you guys to push your theories onto them and then not be able to fully explain what youer saying is fact??
You don't think gravity is a fact? Just want to check for a moment, because that sentence above is just too outrageous. You're not for real, are you?
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so seeing that no one knows that much about gravity, why should it be tought in school??? isnt it unfair for you guys to push your theories onto them and then not be able to fully explain what youer saying is fact??
To add to my previous statement.
We know that bodies attract each other, which is what we call gravity. This is a fact, and we teach it as fact, not as law, not as theory.
We know that in this attraction, the forces interacted follow certain patterns that we can describe mathematically. These are the laws of gravity. We teach them as laws, not as facts, not as theories.
We do not know why this happens, although we have the theory that the curvature of space time has something to do with it, as well as (possibly) particles we call gravitons. These are theories. If we teach them (which is often only for advanced students, because these are hard concepts) we teach them as theories, not as facts, not as laws.
Laws, theories, facts, hypotheses. All these words have meanings, and one is not the other. You really, really should learn their meanings, because the fact that you do not have a clear concept of them, even after all this time on the board, really only portrays your ignorance, nothing else.
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glas by Lewis Caroll-
Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
so seeing that no one knows that much about gravity, why should it be tought in school??? isnt it unfair for you guys to push your theories onto them and then not be able to fully explain what youer saying is fact??
is this an admittal of defeat??? dont post in my threads if you ahve nothing to contribute thanks
No, stop being ignorant and read a science book, until then I will post where I like.
so seeing that no one knows that much about gravity, why should it be tought in school??? isnt it unfair for you guys to push your theories onto them and then not be able to fully explain what youer saying is fact??
You're asking why we teach a theory without explaining why it's a fact?
because theories and facts are two different things.
it's a fact that a falling object, regardless of mass, will descend at a rate of 32 feet/second/second.
Why it does this is a theory, and Isaac Newton theorized that the same force which pulls items down to the Earth is the same as that which keeps the Moon swinging around the Earth, and the Earth Swinging around the Sun.
Based on that theory, we've advanced the science of physics and astronomy, put men on the moon, launched sattilites, and done a whole bunch of other things.
Now, if you've got a better theory that fits the facts as we know them, and are willing to explain it, we'll gladly put it to the test, and if it measures up, we'll teach it as a "competing theory" in classrooms.
Otherwise, what's your point?
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