(M.H)The fallacies of gravity

IceLady · #91 12th June 2006, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by AngryNotice

the moon is closer to the sun then pluto, yet pluto is kept in suns orbit and the moon isnt???

And how the hell is it not? Is Earth in Sun's orbit? Is Moon near the Earth? Where exactly does Sun's orbit stup, then? Or does it have holes or what?

then if astronauts were to leave earth and go into space shouldnt they orbit the shuttle?? or shouldnt they technically orbit the sun?

Oh, dahling, but they do orbit the Sun. As lon as they plan on staying near the Earth, they're darn well orbitin the Sun. Or are you claiming the Earth is not orbiting the Sun?

If that is so, then you've jumped into your own mouth right now.

But, if the astronauts don't stay near the Earth, then no, they don't have to orbit the Sun, really. They can stay there, relatively still to the Sun.

Oh, and why the heck should they orbit the shuttle? Should you then orbit a bus, or what?

IceLady · #92 12th June 2006, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by AngryNotice

that formula explains nothing

who made it? why is it in that order? who put it in that order? who decided what should be included into it??? how can it be sicentifically tested??? hmmmm

I presume Newton made it. It IS called Newton's law of gravity.

How he made it? I'm presuming here, really (simply because I consider you to be too unimportant to me to go and start searching through those old articles to see how he's exactly done it), it was something in the lines of taking numerous objects in conditions without much friction and other "anomalies" and observing what exactly happens. How it corelates with the mass and the distance and so on. After 100 or so measurements, and some statistical analysis, you get the formula. He didn't know the constant, though; some other guy calculated it after him, but I can't bother to look after his name right now.

Believe it or not, that's a scientific method. Plain and simple.

Since then? Since then it's been proven, calculted, derived from other laws, other laws've been derived into it, etc etc etc, numerous times. Enough times to claim that yes, this thing WORKS, everywhere we've encountered so far. Presumably forever, too.

SteelEdge · #93 12th June 2006, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by IceLady

Since then it's been proven, calculted, derived from other laws, other laws've been derived into it, etc etc etc, numerous times. Enough times to claim that yes, this thing WORKS, everywhere we've encountered so far. Presumably forever, too.

Except in dad's pre-split universe.

IceLady · #94 12th June 2006, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by AngryNotice

if this is true, then what keeps the moon from crashing into earth, or pluto from crashing into the sun. i've also heard that pluto is smaller than its moon, if this is true then why doesnt pluto orbit the moon??? and why does pluto have an oddly shaped orbit ????

What keeps Moon from crashing into the Earth? Numerous factors. From distance, its innitial velocity, to their masses, gravitational pull, other forces as well, their density, etc etc etc. In short, when all that is summed up and you reach the final result, that's what keeps it from crashing. Happens to be that the Moon is leaving the Earth in a (not so, but relatively) constant motion.

What keeps Pluto from crashing into the Sun? Same thing. Completely the same thing. When all is summed up, it doesn't crash. If it were, it would. If it were to leave, it would. Solar system isn't some weird constant, it's changing daily. What you see right now is not what you get forever, y'know?

Oh, and, Pluto's mass 1.27 X 10 25 KG, Charon's mass 1,77 10 24 KG. If you can read... you were saying?

something is wrong here.....hmmm

Yup. And it ain't science.

the earth is supposedly exertig a force that keeps the moon in orbit, are you telling me that a little bird is capable of dispelling that force and the moon cant???(remember the bird is closer to the earth than the moon so it would have to be stronger3)

And how exactly is a little bird doing that, if I may add? Have you ever seen a little bird leaving Earth? I can't remember a single case ever recorded in history of time. Can you?

if objects of heavy mass have gravity, what causes it? what is gravity??

That, my dear, would take about 2-3 PhD's to get even close to the problematics. I don't have them, I doubt you do.

What we can say at the moment is that we're not sure but are working on it.

IceLady · #95 12th June 2006, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by AngryNotice

but a marble will eventually lose its spin and fall into the bowl. why doesnt this happen with the planets or the moons

Because the final result of the marble says so. In some other case, you can spin the marble so fast that it'll fly off the bowl. If it weren't for friction and, in the end, gravity (which, y'know, pulls it DOWN in the bowl), it would, in the ideal case, spin forever.

[quote]because if no one knows what it is, or what causes gravity, how can you be expected to be taken seriously when trying to explain the "laws" of it???? [/ quote]

They work, don't they?

Now I ask you - do you know how an atom looks like?

thats like me saying, "i dont know what causes lions to eat meat, or why lions exist, but we do know about lions". it doesnt work.

No, that's like you saying "I don't know what causes lions to eat meat, or why lions exist, but we do know that they eat meat and that they do exist."

another problem with gravity, if the big bang were true wouldnt everything remain condensed and not be flying further into space????

What the hell does BB have to do with anything? Do you even KNOW what BB theory says? Some concepts of SM would be helpful too, but I'm guessing I'm asking WAY too much of you, dear.

This might be a hint - how can an airplane take off?

IceLady · #96 12th June 2006, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by AngryNotice

so space is a vaccum??

Not an ideal one, but close to it. 1 particle per several cubic meters often. Quite nice, if I may add.

if this is true why isnt the atmosphere sucked out into outer space??

What is atmosphere?

is it because gravity holds it in place???

Is that a lucky guess?

IceLady · #97 12th June 2006, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by AngryNotice

so just to clarify, you guys dont know what causes gravity, or how it works, but you know the laws of it??

We know what causes gravity. Heavy mass.

We know how it works. By excerting an attraction force between it and another heavy mass.

We know the laws of it. We've measured them too many times to count. And yes, we're quite certain of it.

IceLady · #98 12th June 2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by SteelEdge

Except in dad's pre-split universe.

How did that end up, anyway?

I usually follow the most interesting threads around here through FSTDT, but I don't remember any ending of that one.

IceLady · #99 12th June 2006, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by AngryNotice

so seeing that no one knows that much about gravity, why should it be tought in school???

No, what we've seen here is that YOU don't know much about gravity. And you are not to be asked or called or even be considered when deciding what'll be taught in school. You might be considered a bit more seriously if you learned how to spell, but like this... nah...

isnt it unfair for you guys to push your theories onto them and then not be able to fully explain what youer saying is fact??

I'm quite satisfied by the explanations. And I'm even more amazed when the explanations are not 100% satisfactory, but different theories are created and are still tested. It gives my mind something to think about.

You do know what it is to think, don't you?

is this an admittal of defeat???

What the...? I'd suggest some elementary reading and understanding the material course. But then again, unless you're 8 or younger, I'd be ashamed among the little ones.

IceLady · #**100** 12th June 2006, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by AngryNotice

thats what it all boils down too doesnt it? just read a science book and follow blindly whatever the evolutionists say?

If you don't like it, do an experiment or two. Learn the scientific method. Learn the high maths. Then please do offer an alternative theory. I'd be more than happy to read about it. Mind you, you'll need to derive about any possible law following it, too. "Goddidit" doesn't work that way, sorry.

sorry, im what you call open minded and willing to look at other options before shutting my mouth and accepting whatever told to me in a book(unless its the Word of God) especially when im being told how little is actually known about gravity

No, it's YOU who doesn't know much about it, not the scientists. Might be the same thing in your head, but then think about it once more - by your logic, you ARE the scientists, those you're fighting against.

Oh, it must be lonely being you.

has scientists ever created a planet and a sun in a labratory to watch the effects of gravity??? if not how can they be so sure it happens at a larger level

Er... by pointing a telescope? Or what, are lens Satan's work as well? If that were true, then I'd throw away anything from a computer monitor to sunglasses.