Do evolutionists silence the critics?

ZiSunka · #11 23rd December 2002, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Late_Cretaceous
Do "evolutionary scientists" (for lack of a better term) silence or censure critics of evolutionary theory? If so, how? And, why does this not happen in other fields of study (or does it)?

No, they just ignore or scoff at anything that does not support their own hypotheses or theories. They don't actively censure, they just mock at what they don't themselves believe. If they can't effectively mock something, they just ignore it. Very childish really, but effective. They just say something isn't worth considering and it goes away (in their own minds).

notto · #12 23rd December 2002, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Athlon4all
[q]If so, how?[/q]Sadly, because Satan snares those who are convinced. Satan is involved especially in Evolution "scientists," much more in other areas, because those other areas are closer to true science (observable, repeatable facts).

Do we need to reject geology and archeology as well because of the snares of Satan? Each of these has evidence against YEC and the flood.

How about physics and astronomy? Same deal?

I guess just to be safe, we should reject all of science (and most of history).

Satan . . .

Jerry Smith · #13 23rd December 2002, 03:39 PM

No, they just ignore or scoff at anything that does not support their own hypotheses or theories. They don't actively censure, they just mock at what they don't themselves believe. If they can't effectively mock something, they just ignore it. Very childish really, but effective. They just say something isn't worth considering and it goes away (in their own minds).

This is a convenient belief to hold if you are an evolution denier. Is it true?

I don't think it is. Can you give me any good reason to believe you?

Athlon4all · #14 23rd December 2002, 03:39 PM

notto,

Yep. Satan ultimately is responsible for all the ungodliness in this world. He's the one who said "I Will..." and tempted Adam and Eve in the garden. This is not to say that man couldn't have rejected him, man could've but he chose to follow Satan. The remedy is now here, Jesus Christ, offering you and all life ("Jesus said unto him "I am the way the truth and the life"), and giving you the power to overcome Satan.

EDIT: Oh

I guess just to be safe, we should reject all of science (and most of history).

Quite the contrary. True science never contradicts the Bible. Your "science" is the science that I Timothy 6:20 speaks of "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane <I>and</I> vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: "

notto · #15 23rd December 2002, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by lambslove
No, they just ignore or scoff at anything that does not support their own hypotheses or theories. They don't actively censure, they just mock at what they don't themselves believe. If they can't effectively mock something, they just ignore it. Very childish really, but effective. They just say something isn't worth considering and it goes away (in their own minds).

It's hard to ignore data and theories that have not submitted themselves to the peer review and publishing process.

Can you give one example where peer reviewed data has been submitted and ignored or mocked?

It is childish to suggest that science does not need to hold to a standard of repeatable, testable data in its observations. It is childish to say that "we are being ignored and mocked" when creation scientists won't even play the game but instead go to the courtroom and the voters to try to get their theories into the classroom. Shouldn't they have to play by the same rules as all the rest of the science that is there?

We can't treat unsubstantiated claims as science. If we do, science has no value.

ZiSunka · #16 23rd December 2002, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Jerry Smith
This is a convenient belief to hold if you are an evolution denier. Is it true?

I don't think it is. Can you give me any good reason to believe you?

I am a scientist and see it happen almost daily.

Jerry Smith · #17 23rd December 2002, 03:42 PM

Satan ultimately is responsible for all the ungodliness in this world. He's the one who said "I Will..." and tempted Adam and Eve in the garden.

hmmm..

So, since evolution denial is ultimately a deception, would it be considered ungodly? And if so, would that not put Satan in the Creationist court? Yes, I know most creationists are Christians, but so are most scientists..

Apparently, Satan has hold of one of these two groups of Christians. Is it true that a house divided against itself cannot stand? Is that why some Christians are anti-science?

Jerry Smith · #18 23rd December 2002, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by lambslove
I am a scientist and see it happen almost daily.

That's about the best answer I could have hoped to get. Do you travel with lots of scientists or mostly the ones in your university? Which university is it, by the way? Whose lab do you work in? What is your area of research?

I'd like to know if what you see happening every day is representative of the behavior of scientists as a group - that's why I ask..

Jerry Smith · #19 23rd December 2002, 03:45 PM

Can you give one example where peer reviewed data has been submitted and ignored or mocked?

Another good question. Does anyone in your lab do peer review? Can you give us an example?

Athlon4all · #20 23rd December 2002, 03:48 PM

Is that why some Christians are anti-science?

Any Christian who is anti-scientific should nto be towards true science, which as I said in the above post, never contradicts God's Word. What true Christians should be is anti towards your science, the science that is not based on fact but belief, and the science that elevates sceince above the LORD Jesus.

Apparently, Satan has hold of one of these two groups of Christians.

And anyone who rejects God's Word (wether Creation or Christ) is being decieved by Satan and drawn away by selfish desires. Satan has a hold over anyone who rejects the truth.

Is it true that a house divided against itself cannot stand?

This is true, and thats why you see how degraded the Church is today. But, there still is a believing remnant, that will stand, because we are founded on the Eternal, Living Word of God, Jesus Christ.