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Old 21st December 2002, 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by tacoman528

take a glass jar, fill it halfway with dirt, then fill it with water. You will get mud, put the jar onto a table and let it sit for a few minutes. What do you see? What does it kinda look like? It looks like the layers of rock that make up the crust of the earth. The evolutionary scientists say that each layer is a million years older than the layer on top. That's not necessarily true. With water covering the whole earth, the tides and currents are not blocked by land so they just...flow. causing the dirt at the bottom to get mixed up. Which would cause the same effect as the jar with water. You get layers. Not necessarily older and younger, just heavier and lighter.
What happens if you put something with delicate features in the jar such as a perfect dinosaur nest with eggs neatly arranged in a circle and covered with grass, or a termite or wasp nest that will obviously be destroyed by water, or animal tracks from small animals that go on for miles.

There is evidence within the fossil record itself that falsifies this sorting hypothesis. Its not hard to find it.
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I did go to your link. I'm sorry to say that it didn't convince me. They say that the lycopod trees can stand to be buried really deep. Then how were they buried? How did all of that clay get to the top of the tree and then some more? And they don't only find lycopod trees, they find every kind of tree. Not all trees can stand to be buried like a lycopod tree. I suggest that you not go to that website for info any more. Its information appears to be...incorrect.
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Surprise, surprise, tacoman528 is now using the ol' "argumentum ad nauseam". Rather that answer other people's refutations of things he already brought up (like that list of "4000 year old" formations), he merrily ignores their counterpoints and repeats himself.
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I suggest that you not go to that website for info any more. Its information appears to be...incorrect.
That's funny. I guess it's incorrect because you disagree with it huh?
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You obviously did not read my explanation to that. It was possible that a mubslide could have covered it, protecting it, fossilizing it, until the flood came (if it, indeed happened before the flood) so that once the flood occured, the footprints are etched in stone or the eggs or termite's nest are stones themselves. Keep in mind that they could have been made fossils before or after the flood. And about the fossil record, the guy who made it up was named Charles Lyell. Notice the part about 'made up'. He concieved that fossil record using circular reasoning. You "date the fossil by the rock layer its in," then you turn around and say," date the rock layer by the fossils you find in it." I don't suggest that you use the fossil record. It doesn't work.
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no, because it IS incorrect. read my previous explanation please.
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I did go to your link. I'm sorry to say that it didn't convince me. They say that the lycopod trees can stand to be buried really deep. Then how were they buried? How did all of that clay get to the top of the tree and then some more? And they don't only find lycopod trees, they find every kind of tree. Not all trees can stand to be buried like a lycopod tree. I suggest that you not go to that website for info any more. Its information appears to be...incorrect.
So, if I find a stand of petrified trees (with their delicate root systems still intact indicating that the have not moved from where they grew), can I assume that all of the sediment below them (the ground they grew in) was pre-flood?

A tree can't grow during a flood, right?
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To Pete,
what refutations?
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Originally posted by tacoman528
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I did go to your link. I'm sorry to say that it didn't convince me. They say that the lycopod trees can stand to be buried really deep. Then how were they buried? How did all of that clay get to the top of the tree and then some more? And they don't only find lycopod trees, they find every kind of tree. Not all trees can stand to be buried like a lycopod tree. I suggest that you not go to that website for info any more. Its information appears to be...incorrect.

Have you looked at all of www.talkorigins.org ?? You might want to look around a little before simply waving your hands and declaring the research done by highly qualified scientists as..."incorrect". Exactly what experiences and education do you have that qualify you to determine that their research is ...."incorrect"??


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To notto's other question,
c'mon guys, think about it: the tree kept standing underwater, so dirt covered it, fossilizing it with the roots intact.
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