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17th December 2002, 10:14 AM
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Reps: 41 (power: 0) | | | Where Should Christians Draw The Line? We (as Christians) are told to obey Caeser (human governments). (Mark 12:17) But should we draw a line and if so where? | 
17th December 2002, 01:51 PM
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Reps: 1,951 (power: 11) | | | Re: Where Should Christians Draw The Line? Originally posted by lared We (as Christians) are told to obey Caeser (human governments). (Mark 12:17) But should we draw a line and if so where?
Or, are we commanded to draw a line at all?
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17th December 2002, 02:01 PM
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17th December 2002, 06:59 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Well said, Lambslove! Basically, the line is drawn at the point where obeying a human government means disobeying God. And the Bible isn't totally silent on this issue - remember Daniel and friends at Nebuchadnezzar's court. | 
17th December 2002, 07:15 PM
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18th December 2002, 01:52 AM
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For example, had the so-called Christian Germans (predominantly Catholic and Lutheran) in the 1930's and 1940's drawn a line in their obedience to Caesar (Hitler), would not millions of people have lived? | 
18th December 2002, 01:10 PM
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Reps: 16,995 (power: 44) | | | Yes. I've read books by German Christians who kept silent during Hitler's reign and they all say they should have spoken up against him no matter what the cost, but they got comfortable with Hitler, because work was good, money was plentiful and he didn't threaten them. It seemed like somone else's problem, so they did nothing.
German Christians had the right and the responsibility to stop Hitler, or at least to do whatever they could to stop him from letting his evil overtake the western world the way it did.
Why did 12 million people die in the death camps? Because Christians didn't do what they should have done.
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21st December 2002, 05:45 AM
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Reps: 2,739,276,925,143,152 (power: 0) | | | I oppose civil disobedience in all but the most extreme cases. John Brown, Martin Luther King Jr., the religious anti-Vietnam war protestors and many others exercised such with mixed results. Brown, for instance, participated in murders of pro-slavery people in Kansas. That was wrong. But his military action in seizing the garrison at Harper's Ferry ultimately led to the Civil War and the end of slavery. He was a complex man and a fanatic. Wrong and right. There are no easy answers.
Is there justification for civil disobedience in America today? I say no. I oppose radical actions of environmental extremists such as spiking trees that can physically harm loggers. Anti-abortion terrorists who bomb clinics and kill doctors and clinic staff ultimately hurt their cause. They are akin to Al Queda and extremist Islamic terrorists, in my opinion.
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21st December 2002, 09:48 AM
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Reps: 21,887,970,374,788,176 (power: 21,887,970,374,798) | | Originally posted by lared Drawing A Line
For example, had the so-called Christian Germans (predominantly Catholic and Lutheran) in the 1930's and 1940's drawn a line in their obedience to Caesar (Hitler), would not millions of people have lived? I would like to think so...
But it might have resulted in a few million Christian Germans added to the fires.
I sometimes wonder if History will look look back at American Christians with equal distain over abortion.
Sometimes politicals/activists want Christians to stay out of politicals... unless we support their cause that is.
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21st December 2002, 02:51 PM
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Reps: 11 (power: 0) | | Originally posted by hobart schmedly I would like to think so...
But it might have resulted in a few million Christian Germans added to the fires.
Better "them" than "us", huh?
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