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Old 19th May 2006, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LittleNipper
They should teach that science does not believe anything. I'm not changing the subject, you simply are too slow to follow along.
Saying that one believes in GOD does not make that person a christian, hindu, mormon, etc., etc... Hey, even satan believes that there is a god, does that make satan religious.
Then point me to where you referenced those "reputable scientists"? (ha, ha, very funny,... )

I don't care if teachers tell students that they have faith in God, of any religion. But I don't want them to be taught in a public school that any ONE faith is correct, simply because it is the faith of the teacher of any class (English, Math, or Science).

But science most certainly DOES "believe" quite a few things, and quite a few more that they know to be FACTS! (Chemical composition of a diamond for example. The square root of 16. The list is quite extensive.)
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Originally Posted by LittleNipper
Public schools should not be secular. Public schools should be educationally neutral. So if there is history to be gleaned from the Bible, it should be gleaned. If students are interested in looking for GOD, they should be encouraged and not ignored. None of this is beside the original subject's point; however, it is your intention to try and make it appear that way....
Public schools ARE secular,... (look when the map doesn't match the ground, it is the MAP that is wrong; NOT the ground,...)

Public schools ARE secular, and because of the separation of church and state, they most certainly "should" be.

As for neutrality, they ARE that too, they neither confirm nor deny the existence of God; leaving that up to the individual student (and their partents) to work out for themselves. The public schools (i.e. the state) is not here to teach or instil any belief in religion, one way or the other. They ARE neutral.

As for use of the Bible as a history book,... see what happens when you follow this sequence of logic:
Q: Who wrote the Bible?
A: Various men of antiquity.
Q: How did they know what to write?
A: God told them.
Q: So then this is the "History according to God"!?...

When the history of the Bible can be verified by other sources as being accurate, then that history doesn't need to be taught as "from the Bible", but it can be noted that the Bible also mentioned this point, with reference to the Bible as an ORAL TRADITION kind of history -- that's the limit of it in a public school I'd thing.

But since most of Western Civ is NOT covered in the Bible, virtually nothing of the classics, and zilch about the renaisance,... I fail to see how it would help a public school history class? Not in the way such classes are meant to educate and prepare students for the world around them or college.

And if students are interested in pursuing God, then their PARENTS should be doing the encouraging; NOT a school text or lesson plan. Even an individual teacher can offer such encouragement, OUTSIDE of the lesson, as an expression of their personal opinion.

As for my "intentions" to make this "seem" any way other than to point out how you have spent the entire DAY avoiding giving an answer for MORE information about a point that YOU RAISED!... that kind of fallacious argument is simply called a Lie.

So come on, quit foolin around. Whadaya got to share (with respect to the original question about "reputable scientists")?
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Originally Posted by LittleNipper
I can imagine that you want to burn down all the churches, or at least those that stand up to your sort...
Quoted for complete bat-guano insanity.
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Just to remind you LittleNipper, here's what you said:

Originally Posted by LittleNipper
AND actually, the evidence proves that nearly all fossils are the direct result of catastrophy. That is exactly what the FLOOD was , and you have no clue as to how many stages that particular catastrophy entailed.
And here was my request for you to support this claim:
Originally Posted by RogerDoger
Wow,... that's some new science I've never heard of! Care to explain? Offer any evidence? Name even one reputable scientist whom supports these very VAGUE ideas?
And we've been dancing around with Red Herrings, Non-Sequiters, and multiple other fallacious arguments ever since,...


Now, please do also explain how:
Originally Posted by LittleNipper
None of this is beside the original subject's point;
and how it is my:
Originally Posted by LittleNipper
intention to try and make it appear that way....
When it is clearly you whom has been avoiding giving a straight answer all day!?

But please do provide those citations for reputable scientists and their work on fossils first. Then you can explain how I'm off the subject.

(especially since I was patient enough to put up with your Red Herring escapades and ramblings all day, after asking such a simple request.)
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Originally Posted by LittleNipper
Perhaps it would be better for you not to treat others ignorantly. William Buckland is but one man. What is taught in public school is not what you imagine. One needs more than observations to observe GOD. Humans are not know to be infallible. That also goes for the Pope....

When it comes to what to believe about christianity and geology I will believe the Dean of Westminster Cathedral over a fruit loop like you any day

No offence

William Buckland is but one man, but oh what a better man than you he was.

And the fallibility thing goes for the pope but also for you, you are one of the most fallible people I have ever encountered
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Oh.. and littlenipper; you never did read those posts of mine containing the evidence you demanded to be shown did you?



Way to go, that's the attitude
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Bumped to see if LN will ever come back to this topic, or he will just leave it alone once it is obvious that he is wrong.
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