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27th April 2006, 10:58 AM
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Whom called themselves Catholic 'Katholick'
have the right to fight against heresies??
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Matthew Chapter 7 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
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, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other: that you may not do the things that you would. |
27th April 2006, 11:25 AM
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Reps: 15,295,480,149 (power: 15,295,494) | | | The word Catholic means universal. It is the Church that is universal - not the person.
As far as heresy goes - they were dealt with by priests and bishops. You might be interested in reading about the councils. The first one was in Acts 15. You can clearly see that there was a heresy that had cropped up (Judaizing) and that the church elders(bishops) were correcting it.
__________________ Ἀνοίξω τὸ στόµα µου, καὶ πληρωθήσεται Πνεύµατος,
καὶ λόγον ἐρεύξοµαι τῇ βασιλίδι Μητρί·
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27th April 2006, 11:32 AM
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Weren't divisions ok, as long as they all believed in Christ?
DIDN'T Jesus accept all who called out to Him??
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Matthew Chapter 7 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
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, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other: that you may not do the things that you would. |
27th April 2006, 11:45 AM
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from a Greek word signifying (1) a choice, (2) the opinion chosen, and (3) the
sect holding the opinion. In the Acts of the Apostles (5:17; 15:5; 24:5, 14;
26:5) it denotes a sect, without reference to its character. Elsewhere,
however, in the New Testament it has a different meaning attached to it. Paul
ranks "heresies" with crimes and seditions (Gal. 5:20). This word also denotes
divisions or schisms in the church (1 Cor. 11:19). In Titus 3:10 a "heretical
person" is one who follows his own self-willed "questions," and who is to be
avoided. Heresies thus came to signify self-chosen doctrines not emanating from
God (2 Pet. 2:1).
the original meaning saw it as just different not wrong, it took on stronger meaning as people started changing who Jesus was. But it wasn't until the Church started being identified with the State that it became dangerous to your health to believe a heresy. (IMHO)
tulc(thankful for the seperation of Church and State) 
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27th April 2006, 12:12 PM
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Reps: 1,429,806,121,229,239,040 (power: 1,429,806,121,229,263) | | Originally Posted by WarriorAngel Whom called themselves Catholic 'Katholick'
have the right to fight against heresies??
What evidence do you have that the first Christians (we're likely talking 30-90 AD) called themselves "Catholic?" I see some evidence that they called themselves Christians and also brothers but no evidence of "Catholic."
The word "catholic" means "whole, universal, complete, all-embracing, collective." It doesn't refer to a person, it refers to the WHOLE body of believers, the whole company of believers, the Body of Christ.
MY $0.01...
Pax.
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RCC: "I teach it, therefore it's true."
Protestant: "It's true, therefore I teach it."
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27th April 2006, 12:14 PM
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Reps: 1,429,806,121,229,239,040 (power: 1,429,806,121,229,263) | | Originally Posted by WarriorAngel BUT if the CHURCH was ONE...
IMO, it still is. Always has been, always will be. The gates of hell shall not prevail against it, although men certainly have tried - and still do, doing their best to divide Christian from Christian.
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27th April 2006, 12:14 PM
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...to preserve that unity?
tulc(I'm just guessing here)
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27th April 2006, 12:20 PM
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Reps: 435 (power: 0) | | | The first Christians (if you define "Christian" as a believer in Christ) were called "Nazarenes" and "followers of the Way", not "Catholic".
If anything, had you went back in time, they would have appeared as Jews (in appearance and in manner). Quite different from what we have today with any "Christian church"; Protestant, Catholic or otherwise.
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27th April 2006, 12:24 PM
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Matthew Chapter 7 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
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27th April 2006, 12:30 PM
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Reps: 2,098,485,669,199,812,608 (power: 2,098,485,669,199,876) | | Originally Posted by Wavy The first Christians (if you define "Christian" as a believer in Christ) were called "Nazarenes" and "followers of the Way", not "Catholic".
If anything, had you went back in time, they would have appeared as Jews (in appearance and in manner). Quite different from what we have today with any "Christian church"; Protestant, Catholic or otherwise. But weren't many Gentiles?
And what about the Galileans who were the Apostles?
Wouldnt they consider themselves Galileans still?
Weren't they the ones who first, after His Mother, to believe in Him?
So why would they call themselves Nazarene?
Because the Lord was called Christ, and thus the Bible tells us Christians.
The Bible also uses a term in Hebrew [or it is Greek] for Universal which is Katholic.
'Go ye and baptize 'all nations' [katholick]'
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Matthew Chapter 7 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
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Pray for your departed loved ones ~ even if you do not believe in purgatory - what harm can come from praying for them?
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I TOTALLY agree.
