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8th April 2006, 07:52 PM
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Reps: 8,376,712 (power: 8,385) | | | I do not like NASCAR and went to college and I like FOTF.
They offer a lot of support to parents raising their kids with Christian values. Their Adventures in Odyssey radio program is great entertainment for children. I think this organization has done a lot of good. I am not saying it is perfect. I do not know them well enough to know every detail of what they do.
Mr. Dobson has been in the political arena a bit more lately, but should he stay out of it? Is it not the responsibility for Christians with influence to stand up for our values in the political arena? If no one got up and supported our values, we would be in an even worse state than we are currently. Maybe we need more men who are willing to step up and support Christian values in public.
I do not believe I have ever heard Mr. Dobson say anything publicly on a news show that is not Biblical. If someone has, I would be interested to know what it was. |
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Reps: 10,354,715,290,151 (power: 10,354,715,299) | | Originally Posted by GraceLikeRainFallsDown I do not like NASCAR and went to college and I like FOTF.
They offer a lot of support to parents raising their kids with Christian values. Their Adventures in Odyssey radio program is great entertainment for children. I think this organization has done a lot of good. I am not saying it is perfect. I do not know them well enough to know every detail of what they do.
Mr. Dobson has been in the political arena a bit more lately, but should he stay out of it? Is it not the responsibility for Christians with influence to stand up for our values in the political arena? If no one got up and supported our values, we would be in an even worse state than we are currently. Maybe we need more men who are willing to step up and support Christian values in public.
I do not believe I have ever heard Mr. Dobson say anything publicly on a news show that is not Biblical. If someone has, I would be interested to know what it was.
Dobson has fallen into the common Baptist notion of thinking God wants us to make laws favoring Him in the US gov't. He desires no such thing and realizes its fruitlessness.
We Chrisians are the nation of God, whether American, Canadian, Mexican, or Iraqi. We have our own government and our own leader. What the world does it will do. We do our thing and our thing looks nothing like their thing. Neither are we like a bunch of Jews who want to concoct a set of laws for everyone to follow and suppose our American nation is then somehow holy. God was finished with that kind of thinking at the cross. |
8th April 2006, 08:09 PM
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Reps: 183,937,311 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by GraceLikeRainFallsDown I do not like NASCAR and went to college and I like FOTF. No doubt, but the popular misconception about Evangelicals is that they are not as educated, as other "enlightened" Christians, and of course, ALL Evangelicals are NASCAR fanatics. |
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Reps: 10,354,715,290,151 (power: 10,354,715,299) | | Originally Posted by catlover No doubt, but the popular misconception about Evangelicals is that they are not as smart as "other","more informed", "enlightened" Christians, and of course, NASCAR.
Well having grown up as one, I can say that this generalization is pretty much true. When I was in (an evangelical) Bible college I started to notice all the best theologians were not evangelicals. Evangelical commentators had no where near the punch and insight as these other men. I began to wonder why. Where the other men simply "following traditions of men" and contriving the truth to suit their needs as evangelicals often teach? No, they proved to be more insightful and the evangelical commentators quite short-sighted, never even considering things the others did.... and those things proved to be very significant to the truth. |
8th April 2006, 08:14 PM
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Reps: 8,376,712 (power: 8,385) | | Originally Posted by TruthMiner Dobson has fallen into the common Baptist notion of thinking God wants us to make laws favoring Him in the US gov't. He desires no such thing and realizes its fruitlessness.
We Chrisians are the nation of God, whether American, Canadian, Mexican, or Iraqi. We have our own government and our own leader. What the world does it will do. We do our thing and our thing looks nothing like their thing. Neither are we like a bunch of Jews who want to concoct a set of laws for everyone to follow and suppose our American nation is then somehow holy. God was finished with that kind of thinking at the cross.
I do not know that he wants laws that favor him. I cannot really speak for him, but I think he wants laws that allow Christians to still be Christian openly in this country. He does not want our basic rights taken away so that we have to worship in hiding. (I know this sounds extreme, but slowly over time who knows what could happen)
He wants us and our children to be openly Christian in schools and at work.
We may have Jesus as our leader. But we must follow the laws of our land here on earth as well. I think it is naive to think we are our own government. Jesus never said to not follow the laws of the earthly government you are under. He said the opposite. Render to Caesar what is Caesars.
There are countries where Christians are not allowed "to do their thing". In fact in our public schools right now our children cannot openly pray. In some work places simply saying Merry Chritsmas was not allowed.
I am glad to see some Christian leaders stand up for us and our rights. |
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Reps: 183,937,311 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by TruthMiner Well having grown up as one, I can say that this generalization is pretty much true. When I was in (an evangelical) Bible college I started to notice all the best theologians were not evangelicals. Evangelical commentators had no where near the punch and insight as these other men. I began to wonder why. Where the other men simply "following traditions of men" and contriving the truth to suit their needs as evangelicals often teach? No, they proved to be more insightful and the evangelical commentators quite short-sighted, never even considering things the others did.... and those things proved to be very significant to the truth. I don't see why you would like to perpetuate a stereotype.  In your opinion who are the better theologians?
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Reps: 183,937,311 (power: 0) | | I have to admit at one point in time, I did not mind Focus on The Family, however they seem to be a mouth piece for right wing politics. James Dobson is a Rush Limbaugh fan, Also in the last couple of issues I have read he was upset that women were cast in roles,in movies, where they were physically strong. What's the big deal? It seems some people in that organization are threatned by strong females. Very odd.  |
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GraceLikeRain in post #25:
<< In fact in our public schools right now our children cannot openly pray. >>
This is a fallacy. I have asked those who favor school prayer if they want atheists to lead it and they said yes.
I was in high school years after the decision removing mandatory Bible reading and prayer from the public schools. Yet students could choose to do papers on religious subjects, or take independent study of religious subjects in place of a class. For instance, one student took independent study on the Apostle Paul. At the end of the year this student held a seminar which any student could attend, during school hours, to discuss what had been learned.
This isn't oppression of Christianity, or of religion.
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