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22nd November 2002, 03:09 AM
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Hello...I'm not sure how many times this has been posted but I am just curious. What do guys think of this? Any significance whatsoever or is this whole thing a hoax?
God bless
a4c
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فلو بشرناكم نحن أو بشركم ملاك من السماء ببشارة غير التي بشرناكم بها, فليكن ماعونا...قلنا لكم قبلا وأقول الآن: إذا بشركم أحد ببشارة غير التي قبلتموها منا, فاللعنة عليه ~ غلاطية
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22nd November 2002, 04:39 AM
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22nd November 2002, 06:29 AM
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Reps: 237 (power: 0) | | | Discovery Channel (i think) did a long documentary on this. After countless tests and re-tests by the experts, they still can't agree.
My personal opinion is that it is real -- but whether its real or not doesnt affect my faith (it aint important).
I think what's -ve abt this whole thing is that people have started to 'focus' on this shroud and 'worship' it.
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22nd November 2002, 05:38 PM
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Reps: 1 (power: 0) | | | Arab: I believe it is real. I’ve done some study into the thing and the evidences to me point to it being real. I would not make belief in it a matter of the faith however. It is nice though to have a visual record of the resurrection. |
22nd November 2002, 08:31 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Thanx for your replies guys...
Yes the evidence of the shroud stands pretty tough:
*Blood found on it looks real and not painting as suggested.
*The image of Christ on it was done on machines and suggests its a real man and that no medival painter could ever do such a job.
*Pollen found on it was that of flowers from ancient Jerusalem- flowers ONLY found there.
*This blanket was known to heal many people - ppl rubbed it against a wound and so forth apparently.
*Pontius Pilate coins are said to have been found on the image-supposedly his eyes were covered with them.
*Dirt on the shroud was lifted and finally they foudn fingerprints which looks like it was a real person.
Other than that, the cases against the shroud have yet to stand hard against these discoveries. But even if this shroud is proved to be fake, it still wont hurt my faith as you guys mentioned. But as usual, its been forgotten for some time now 
God bless
a4c
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But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed...As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have recieved, let him be accursed Galatians 1:8-9 NKJV Bible
فلو بشرناكم نحن أو بشركم ملاك من السماء ببشارة غير التي بشرناكم بها, فليكن ماعونا...قلنا لكم قبلا وأقول الآن: إذا بشركم أحد ببشارة غير التي قبلتموها منا, فاللعنة عليه ~ غلاطية
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22nd November 2002, 10:24 PM
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Neal
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23rd November 2002, 11:11 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Wow Im suprised many people here believe it could be authentic. Very interesting 
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But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed...As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have recieved, let him be accursed Galatians 1:8-9 NKJV Bible
فلو بشرناكم نحن أو بشركم ملاك من السماء ببشارة غير التي بشرناكم بها, فليكن ماعونا...قلنا لكم قبلا وأقول الآن: إذا بشركم أحد ببشارة غير التي قبلتموها منا, فاللعنة عليه ~ غلاطية
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27th November 2002, 05:41 PM
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Reps: 8,131 (power: 23) | | | It's been a while since they've tried to prove it and from what i've seen, it's a fake made using medievil photo technology. The carbon dating has also been tested and it's only less than 1000 years old. Not even close to Jesus' time. Not to mention the image doesn't follow the geometry of someone being wrapped. Doesn't matter though. I don't base my faith on the shroud and you'll find it with most people whether it's real or fake.
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28th November 2002, 04:03 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Hello Sharky...Funny, everything thing you said I have read and heard the opposite way  Hmmmm...Well not like this all matters, but I guess its just interesting and something to wonder about.
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But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed...As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have recieved, let him be accursed Galatians 1:8-9 NKJV Bible
فلو بشرناكم نحن أو بشركم ملاك من السماء ببشارة غير التي بشرناكم بها, فليكن ماعونا...قلنا لكم قبلا وأقول الآن: إذا بشركم أحد ببشارة غير التي قبلتموها منا, فاللعنة عليه ~ غلاطية
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