Chronic pain/illness' and depression seem to go hand in hand

Fangtastic · #11 15th March 2006, 05:33 PM

today is a better day just because I'm in control and the pain is less.

pumanator · #12 16th March 2006, 02:25 AM

Always rejoice in the Lord but even more so on the better days and take note of them andlive them to the fullest.

My God touch you and heal you or at the least give you the grace to overcome.

thatgirliknew · #13 5th April 2006, 11:56 PM

I think that a lot of times the pain comes from the depression. It's like the new commercials on TV, depression hurts everywhere.

pumanator · #14 6th April 2006, 03:38 AM

It can be a vicious cycle and the two most definitely feed on each other and sometimes no matter how hard we try to keep our heads up, it is a physiological fact that pain draws down our energy and the resulting fatigue causes a normal (or should I say in our case, abnormal) low in our emotional state...in other words it's to be expected.

sk8Joyful · #15 7th May 2006, 04:37 PM

Hi pumanator

I have been following this thread here, and notice how you continue searching for harmless positive-resources in helping you live more successfully. Just what God wants you to do, so Good for you!

Originally Posted by pumanator

Billy Graham and the fact that he has Parkensins desease...his whole life dedicated to the Gospel. There are no easy anwsers.

Actually, much closer than you have been taught to think, is the following medical realizations. Ever heard of the "Placebo-effect", pumanator? - (that's where 'doubly-blind studies' are done, in which no-one knows who's gettin' the "real"-deal, and who's gettin' the "fake"-deal. Turns out, neither matters. What matters truthfully, is what *your own mind expects* - it will create, and re-create, as your own reality, over & over & ...) and
since you mentioned Billy Grahams' "Parkinson's", what better way to demonstrate this than to have you carefully research this article on it, here: http://www.newstarget.com/001125.html. - "Parkinson's disease patients underwent a surgical procedure that transplanted human neurons into their brains.
But half the patients had no neurons transplanted whatsoever and were merely told, deceptively, by their doctor that the neurons had been transplanted. The result?? Even those patients who received the sham operation showed significant improvements in brain and body function a full 12 months later. Iow, they didn't even have the surgery, but they thought they did. So their bodies responded and *self-healing* kicked in." - (btw pumanator,

last year here in CF, as a counseling-Teacher I proposed/suggested a *JOY-forum* - wherein people such as yourself (who have benefitted from your own "self-healing" - as God has so blest each of us, from before our mortal conception), would come and bear Testimony as Witnesses to just how well such *mind*-processes succeed.
Alas, that successful suggestion was denied, for reason of "People have a right to stay stuck in their problems, and just come here & get pity". Isn't that the saddest thing!)

Well, you're a more intelligent soul than that, right?

Originally Posted by pumanator

It has taken me 16 yrs, to finally start to let God change my mind set.

Well, from that cemented-mind state, waste no more time then - in setting yourself Free! You can do it! , (as well as anybody else, who wants it). For instance, God helped me *self-heal* from cancer, osteoporosis, etc - so to my present practice of "Teaching others how", I also bring a wealth of positive personal stories. Nothing like sharing *personal success*, eh? - What a powerful motivator, helping people in search of 'Salvation' - spiritually, as well as emotionally and physically.

Originally Posted by pumanator

Keep your eyes on Jesus and
not the pain, the enemy wants to destroy you, don't let him.

Excellent-start = Accepting Jesus Christ as your own personal Savior, for your spiritual well-being. Yup, ya gotta have this right foundation in your life, as a starter. Only
then,
will you be safe in adding the *mind* connection, for after all, God designed/created this for each of us too, right.

Originally Posted by pumanator

This is a learning experience ...

Yup, it sure is. And a *FUN* learning experience at that, I might add

Well, I've given you a few gold-nuggets to get you started.

Feel free, asking for more .. . And I wish you the very finest that God offers each of us,

Annie

2scoops · #16 8th May 2006, 09:19 AM

Sk8joyful, I am in total agreement about the whole placebo. I have been studying this kind of stuff for about three years now. Have you ever heard of John E Sarno, his theory has helped many recover from chronic conditions. We live in a society that is satuarated by the wrong inforamtion and people are getting rich off of it. I am reading the Wall Street Journal for school and there is an article that sais some pharmacuetical companies and doctors are creating diagnosis to increase piull sales. I would like to learn more of the mothod you are talking about. I believe knowledge and wisdom are power. You have to learn the TRUTH to cure the problem, nnot just mask symptoms.

sk8Joyful · #17 9th May 2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by 2scoops

Sk8joyful, I am in total agreement about the whole placebo. Have you ever heard of John E Sarno?

I would like to learn more of the mothod you are talking about. I believe knowledge, and wisdom, are power. You have to learn the TRUTH to cure the problem, not just mask symptoms.

Yes, he's the M.D. who's written books about -->How repressed negative (deadly like fear/anger) emotions in the human-*mind* can/will cause dis-comfort, dis-ease, illnesses (heart-conditions, diabetes, cancer, and pain so chronically severe, that people will themselves to die - and succeed<---.

And that is true more often, than not.
I can testify to that, because I have also helped people (trade-in emotional hells with which they drove themselves insane), for Life they're enjoying much better...

But there are many people, lately writing books where they 'Assign certain-emotions to certain unwanted conditions', and assume "That causes this"- common type causealogy, that may, or may not really be the case - for any one *unique individual*. -

Well, what is your own personal story of *success* - in this journey?

Annie

2scoops · #18 11th May 2006, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by sk8Joyful

Yes, he's the M.D. who's written books about -->How repressed negative (deadly like fear/anger) emotions in the human-*mind* can/will cause dis-comfort, dis-ease, illnesses (heart-conditions, diabetes, cancer, and pain so chronically severe, that people will themselves to die - and succeed<---.

And that is true more often, than not.
I can testify to that, because I have also helped people (trade-in emotional hells with which they drove themselves insane), for Life they're enjoying much better...

But there are many people, lately writing books where they 'Assign certain-emotions to certain unwanted conditions', and assume "That causes this"- common type causealogy, that may, or may not really be the case - for any one *unique individual*. -

Well, what is your own personal story of *success* - in this journey?

Annie

So you probably have heard of Louise Hay, Brandon Bays, Deepak Chopra, Canadance Pert, Norman Cousins etc. Louise Hay pretty much thinks she has a symptom matched with a certain emotion or personality type.

I have used Sarno, to help with my chronic back pain, leg pai, feet pain. It has been flaring up a little lately. I have used Sarno to bring up feelings of inadaquecy, worry, fear, repressed anger. I always look for tools that help me uncover repressed emotions, but sometimes it's hard for me to concentrate and find answers, that's why I would really like to hear more info on what you have. This stuff is REAL.

Fangtastic · #19 21st May 2006, 12:22 PM

I've had such a great return from practicing Tai chi. Pain wise,things are lifted and my mind resolved of worries. God and Tai Chi..what a combo.

Breydon · #20 6th July 2006, 02:08 PM

I suffer muscle spasms due to depression & I am on strong pain killers which makes me so dozy during the day. I hope one day it will go away but I have to relax more & take time out to rest which in this day & age is hard.