awww man...

HonorB · #21 31st January 2006, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by h2whoa

I paritally agree with you HonorB although there is one area that I deeply disagree on.

I think that part of the reason that we have the problems that we do is because people don't seem to realise that religion are completely separate things. This is where the problem arises.

Science deals with the physical. In this sense it is neither supporting of nor supported by the Bible.

Religion deals with the spiritual, the metaphysical.

The important thing to remember is that being separate entities doesn't mean they're enemies of each other! Religion deals soley with questions that are not within the parameters of science. The soul. The afterlife. The meaning of life. These things are religious questions.

The problems arise when people try to apply religion to science or vice versa because the two things are not the same. It's like the difference between baking a cake and laying bricks. If you use cement mix instead of flour in your cake mix it's not going to end up very well. Likewise if you use flour instead of cement mix to lay your bricks, that wall's just gonna come down.

Once people begin to realise that religion and science do not deal with the same issues, the conflicts will go away.

All right. I concede your point while keeping my own. The issues exist. Both approaches exist. They co-exist. We agree there. You can have one or both or whatever. In my experience though they back each other up... Had I never studied physics I never would've converted. Had biology and geology never appeared on my scope I'd be agnostic. Had metaphysics also not reared her head toward me though, I'd be less witty.

No, seriously though. I appreciate what you're saying about how if we'd just do the separating... Apples and oranges, mortar and batter thing then we'd be better off. Not really, we'd still be doing the same silly human thing... Namely making Issues.
The merger and the understanding thereof and the concurrence... that is where I see the trajectory of human evolution... so it's also the right road- the Divine.

Hm... PM me sometime if this turns into a big back and forth but otherwise I'm curious to read follow ups.

Tawny · #22 31st January 2006, 06:17 AM

I am moving this to a more apprpriate forum, where the OP can get support in his struggles.

This has been moved from NCR, this is why there have been non christians posting in it.

Tawny
NCR Moderator

RichardT · #23 31st January 2006, 11:41 AM

you know what... I'm going to try to defend YECism untill proven completely wrong... Because it makes lots of sense to me, except there is so much evidence that counters it...

Though , there are flood stories from all over the world , carvings of dinosaurs , historical use of the term "dragon" from every culture , which is a dinosaur... Dinosaurs in the bible ( as Dragon ) ... Etc , it makes sense to me that the historical account of the bible is true...

I have to figure out a way to fight couter arguments from non YECs...

jleslie48 · #24 31st January 2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by RichardT

I'm starting to think that all religions are false , and that there is no point to anything... If YEC isn't true , than christianity isn't true , and if christianity isn't true , than nothing is..

Therefore YEC must be true , or else i'm living at fault

your starting to get it, but you fall short.

all religions are false.
YEC isn't true

but why the conclusion that "here is no point to anything?"
there is no connection as I can see.

christianity isn't true ,

that's a rather large statement. christianity encompasses quite a bit. You might want to clarify that.

if christianity isn't true , than nothing is..

than nothing is??? I'm typing on this computer. that is true.
whether christianity is true or not doesn't change the fact that I am typing on this computer.

RichardT · #25 31st January 2006, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by jleslie48

your starting to get it, but you fall short.

all religions are false.
YEC isn't true

but why the conclusion that "here is no point to anything?"
there is no connection as I can see.

christianity isn't true ,

that's a rather large statement. christianity encompasses quite a bit. You might want to clarify that.

if christianity isn't true , than nothing is..

than nothing is??? I'm typing on this computer. that is true.
whether christianity is true or not doesn't change the fact that I am typing on this computer.

YEC isn't true

Who said ? I believe in YEC ... It makes sense to me , and i'm back on track !

HonorB · #26 31st January 2006, 06:29 PM

*This might be a double reply.. I typed, I clicked and now I'm here. I apologize in that case. *

Anyway...

Richard,
Regardless of anyone's opinions or beliefs, congratulations on regaining your footing. Always a delicious moment. Welcome back to your head.
Blessins'
-H

JVD · #27 1st February 2006, 08:29 AM

RichardT

I'm a 53 year old man who just finished homeschooling my daughter last year. She is now at a University on a full-ride scholarship majoring in astrophysics. Needless to say, she is very bright, much brighter than I am.

But this homeschooling process with a science oriented child made me evaluate everything I had believed or been taught about YEC. I now have many questions about it but haven't yet abandoned it.

However, I have realized that it is really not that important. What is importants are these questions.

Is Jesus real?
Did he really live on earth?
Can we count on what the gospels say about him? (his resurrection is most important)

I have begun to research those questions because they are more important than the YEC questions. I have been very satisfied, gratified and comforted by what I am learning about Jesus Christ. It has strengthened my faith.

jleslie48 · #28 1st February 2006, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by RichardT

Who said ? I believe in YEC ... It makes sense to me , and i'm back on track !

there are 1000's of reasons to believe the earth is far older. And very few (if any) to support an age of < 10,000 years.

Here's an easy one. South America and Africa are two puzzle pieces separated by an ocean. they are currently moving appart at [some] number of inches a year. Divide the number of inches apart they are now by the number of inches it moves and figure out how long ago they were attached.

RichardT · #29 1st February 2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by jleslie48

there are 1000's of reasons to believe the earth is far older. And very few (if any) to support an age of < 10,000 years.

Here's an easy one. South America and Africa are two puzzle pieces separated by an ocean. they are currently moving appart at [some] number of inches a year. Divide the number of inches apart they are now by the number of inches it moves and figure out how long ago they were attached.

this is called uniformitarianism....... This dosn't prove anything.......

JVD · #30 1st February 2006, 08:25 PM

this is called uniformitarianism....... This dosn't prove anything.......

This is true...BUT

there is the starlight issue. Kind of the same thing, but when you add a lot of these types of things together you have to come up with one of two conclusions. Either the earth is a lot older or God created it to appear a lot older, and why would he do that?

Still. It's really not that important in the scheme of things. It is interesting to study from a purely scientific point of view.

One thing I know for sure. When I get to heaven, I'm going to find out that Jesus's understanding of the Bible is probably a lot different than mine.