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I don't think this question was really answered, so I'll post it one more time.
At a minimum? So, is an energy source not even needed? Is this saying, that ordered systems, can exist without the need for heat?
shinbits,
was this ever answered to your satisfaction?
__________________ The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?"
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you....For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink..."
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him...
John, Ch. 6
THUS, THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS DOES NOT DISPROVE THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION.
But it may cast some doubt that the earth's core and mantle (an obviously closed system) suddenly and inexplicably heated up and cracked the earth's crust, forming the tectonic plates.
But it may cast some doubt that the earth's core and mantle (an obviously closed system) suddenly and inexplicably heated up and cracked the earth's crust, forming the tectonic plates.
The Earth started out hot, not cold. The additional heat is provided by radioactive decay.
Evaluate the sample space of all possible 4.5billion year histories of the earth, find the relative proportion of all those histories in which evolution happens, and then get back to me with a substantiated claim?
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And who that has understanding will suppose that the first, and second, and third day, and the evening and the morning, existed without a sun, and moon, and stars? - Origen, 215AD [De Principiis 4.1.16]
b) that they do not reproduce exact likenesses of their parents, and
c) that different variations of a population may have better success in surviving and reproducing in specific environments,
what is the probability of evolution not happening?
How could evolution be avoided in this scenario?
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The Earth started out hot, not cold. The additional heat is provided by radioactive decay.
By 'heated up' I meant that the already hot center increased enough to expand and crack the crust. This after millions/billions of years of gradual cooling SO THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN. Talk to any potter about firing/glazing pottery.
So radioactive decay increased within the earth millions/billions(?) of years after the earth cooled to form a crust, dry land was formed, water was gathered into seas, biological life was formed, then shattered the crust into plates?
It all seemed so orderly up to that point.
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Evaluate the sample space of all possible 4.5billion year histories of the earth, find the relative proportion of all those histories in which evolution happens, and then get back to me with a substantiated claim?
I believe as you that the earth is old, perhaps 4.5 billion years. And I agree with genetic variation, mutation, etc. But you guys will sneak in the whole enchilada of life springing from dead matter at some point. The soft sell of genetic variation, etc. eventually comes to full blown evolution of man (read ADAM) from lower life forms.
My 'substantiated' claim comes from my interpretation of the geologic, and fossil records, which indicate catastrophism on a worldwide scale many times over over perhaps billions of years. The very thick layers of sediment containing fossils of complete creatures indicate flooding on a massive scale resulting in sedimentation that can only come from long periods of inundation (standing flood water) of great depth and had great tubidity.
The oil, coal, and gas deposits also evidence catastrophism by flood, as well as an environment filled to the brim with carbon based life forms of gigantic size. Our present day redwood trees are an example of the sheer mass of wood that would have been available to produce the coal deposits. The oil and gas deposits are a witness to the incredible amount of animal life extant on the ancient earth, carried and consolidated by enormous floods and tidal movement. Death and deposition of sea life would also contribute to these deposits.
The catastrophies also would have seriously interrupted the 'evolution' of large animals, if not all species. I don't see much living through these horrific events.
Noah's flood was gentle by comparison and of short duration and would not have left such evidence. As you can see I agree with just about everything you do, except for evolution of life forms from lower species, and, the cause of the catastrophism. If we can somehow agree on these there will be compete agreement between science and scripture.
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... which is how probability is defined.
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