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I have never read the book so maybe it is painfully obvious, but the following observation raises a question for me.
In John 10:22, we see Jesus participating in the Feast of Dedication, aka Hanukkah. Wouldn't His acknowledgement of the feast, imply a ratification of Maccabees as canon or, at least, some portion of it? 
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Reps: 962,953,261,475 (power: 962,953,270) | | Originally Posted by Sabertooth I have never read the book so maybe it is painfully obvious, but the following observation raises a question for me.
In John 10:22, we see Jesus participating in the Feast of Dedication, aka Hanukkah. Wouldn't His acknowledgement of the feast, imply a ratification of Maccabees as canon or, at least, some portion of it? Well, I believe that the RCC acknowledges 1+2 Maccabees, but since Christians do not keep the Hanukkah, I suppose that there is no particular reason for adding these to canons that don't have them. They are interesting from a purely historical point of view though  - FreezBee
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Reps: 15,426 (power: 26) | | | we don't celebrate purim either so why bother reading Esther? i'm speaking tongue-in-cheek intentionally. I and II Macc. was part of the Canon until the Reformers took them out.
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Has Maccabees been subjected to the scrutiny Dr. Ivan Panin's numeric studies?
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Reps: 15,426 (power: 26) | | Originally Posted by Sabertooth It seems inconsistent that Jesus would recognize an uninspired "holiday," if it WAS uninspired.
Has Maccabees been subjected to the scrutiny Dr. Ivan Panin's numeric studies?
who is Dr. Ivan?
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Google [Panin mathematician Bible].
I found out later that his work DID exclude Maccabees.
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Reps: 962,953,261,475 (power: 962,953,270) | | Originally Posted by Sabertooth Google [Panin mathematician Bible].
I found out later that his work DID exclude Maccabees. So, that settles the matter, I'd guess  As for Esther - I don't mind, if we excluded that from the canon either. Though it has some redeeming qualities, the similarities and differences between that book and the Book of Daniel. - FreezBee
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Reps: 146,583 (power: 159) | | Originally Posted by Sabertooth I have never read the book so maybe it is painfully obvious, but the following observation raises a question for me.
In John 10:22, we see Jesus participating in the Feast of Dedication, aka Hanukkah. Wouldn't His acknowledgement of the feast, imply a ratification of Maccabees as canon or, at least, some portion of it?
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AngCath we don't celebrate purim either so why bother reading Esther? i'm speaking tongue-in-cheek intentionally. I and II Macc. was part of the Canon until the Reformers took them out.
Hi AngCath,
As I'm sure you know, the Prots would see things in exactly the opposite light - namely that the deuteros were contested throughout the history of the church and only officially established as canonical at Trent (1545 AD) in response to the Reformation.
I imagine this has been discussed here quite a bit. I'm new here, so could you point me to a thread that discusses this?
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Reps: 20,477 (power: 35) | | Originally Posted by BibleWheel As I'm sure you know, the Prots would see things in exactly the opposite light - namely that the deuteros were contested throughout the history of the church and only officially established as canonical at Trent (1545 AD) in response to the Reformation.
What a wonderful way to dismiss the Eastern half of Christianity.
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