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If evolution is not valid science, somebody should tell the scientists.
Here is a brief list of major universities that have entire departments (within their Science Faculties) devoted to teaching evolutionary thoery and conducting innovative research into evolution.
Are all these scientists and graduate students grossly misled, or just plain stupid? Maybe it's a conspiracy?
And if it wasn't good science, don't you think all the other scientists in other departments point that out ot them?
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Princeton University www.eeb.princeton.edu/
Harvard University - Department of Organismic & Evolutionary Biology www.oeb.harvard.edu/
Cornell universtiy Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology www.eeb.cornell.edu
Rice Universtiy Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
eeb.rice.edu/
University of California, Irvine Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
ecoevo.bio.uci.edu
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Evolution is a valid science. Actually, evolution has been observed in the lifetime of a human being, and happens all the time. The problem that people have is that there are gaps in the complete theory of evolution. It's easy to understand that all mammals came from the same ancestor. However, linking a mammal to a tree is much more difficult. The transition animals are very difficult to find (i.e. mammal/reptiles). The other part is how the first organism actually began.
Anyone that completely denies evolution is either stupid or ignorant, because parts of the theory have actually been observed during the lifetime of a human in the past century. That is, like 50 years, not eons. There are numerous case studies about this, and new species of animals have been created as a result of human activity.
The broad implication of evolution is harder to stomache since we really can't tell yet.
Anyway, I can't believe that it's the 21st century, and we still have religious people trying to fight scientists, when time after time after time again, they've made discoveries that have changed our world. People need to just chill out about it.
The earth goes around the sun. Not the other way around.
However, linking a mammal to a tree is much more difficult.
That's probably because a mammal is a type of animal, not a type of plant.
You need to go much further back in the nested hierarchies to the division between plants and animals (and other Kingdoms) for which there probably isn't much evidence, as it probably didn't involve anything that could be fossilised.
The transition animals are very difficult to find (i.e. mammal/reptiles).
There are loads of transitional animals. Although: define tranistional. YEC keep moving the goalposts here.
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I would like to hear some original answers from YECs to this question. So, please no references to "professing themselves to be wise they became foolish", "in the end times many will be decieved", or "I have a list of a few scientists who don't like evolution", or my personal favorite "but those are all liberal schools".
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I would like to hear some original answers from YECs to this question. So, please no references to "professing themselves to be wise they became foolish", "in the end times many will be decieved", or "I have a list of a few scientists who don't like evolution", or my personal favorite "but those are all liberal schools".
Well I will try to answer some of your arguments. I am a dyed in the wool unabashed, unashamed YEC who beleives that is the true science of origins.
First off nobody I know has a problem as to what has been designated "micro-evolution" both creation and evolution predict them in their models. It is macro evolution or where a fish becomes a lizard which becomes a bird over 30-40 million years where there is no empirical but on ly theoretical evidence.
To answer one objection I saw-- speciation is not evolution.
Mendels law shows that predefinied already existent genetics within a creature can produce a new species of that creature. Before we attrribute something to random chaotic natural selection by mutation we need to rule out diet, prexistent genetics, and even the psossibility of 2 differing species of the same kind reporduced and made a third species. Until those are specifically answered and ruled out we have no evolution.
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There are loads of transitional animals. Although: define tranistional. YEC keep moving the goalposts here.
Well there are not really--just opinion and interpretation. The most classic transitional is archyoptryx who by leading evolutionary ornithologists declare it a true bird with unique features.
We have lizards and birds but no bizards and lirds! Show me a lizard transitioning tro a bird in evidence and then we can diewcuss true transitions.
Shoiw me the ape to man transitionals that are more than just half a skull and I will debunk them for you.
Here is a brief list of major universities that have entire departments (within their Science Faculties) devoted to teaching evolutionary thoery and conducting innovative research into evolution.
Are all these scientists and graduate students grossly misled, or just plain stupid? Maybe it's a conspiracy?
And if it wasn't good science, don't you think all the other scientists in other departments point that out ot them?
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, Princeton University www.eeb.princeton.edu/
Harvard University - Department of Organismic & Evolutionary Biology www.oeb.harvard.edu/
Cornell universtiy Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology www.eeb.cornell.edu
Rice Universtiy Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
eeb.rice.edu/
University of California, Irvine Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
ecoevo.bio.uci.edu
The overwhelming majority of those professors teaching such science believe that the naturalistic process of evolution explains life totally. They see no need for a higher being such as God. They believe this because one can explain away God with such theories. These same schools that teach evolution, do not teach the existence of God in those courses. In fact, if you go and ask the professors that teach these courses it would be rare to find one that actually does believe in a god.
These universties are teaching atheism through evolution and your approving...how very sad.
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The overwhelming majority of those professors teaching such science believe that the naturalistic process of evolution explains life totally. They see no need for a higher being such as God. They believe this because one can explain away God with such theories. These same schools that teach evolution, do not teach the existence of God in those courses. In fact, if you go and ask the professors that teach these courses it would be rare to find one that actually does believe in a god.
These universties are teaching atheism through evolution and your approving...how very sad.
I have no idea where you get this information, but nice job driving a wedge between science and religion. I'm sure forcing people to chose between Christ and science is a great way to convert people.
FYI, Baylor University, the largest and oldest Baptist university in the world, says this:
"Evolution, a foundational principle of modern biology, is supported by overwhelming scientific evidence and is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. Because it is fundamental to the understanding of modern biology, the faculty in the Biology Department at Baylor University, Waco, TX, teach evolution throughout the biology curriculum. We are in accordance with the American Association for Advancement of Science's statement on evolution. We are a science department, so we do not teach alternative hypotheses or philosophically deduced theories that cannot be tested rigorously."
I'm sure a Baptist university would be filled with atheist and have an atheistic agenda to turn people away from God.
I have no idea where you get this information, but nice job driving a wedge between science and religion. I'm sure forcing people to chose between Christ and science is a great way to convert people.
FYI, Baylor University, the largest and oldest Baptist university in the world, says this:
I'm sure a Baptist university would be filled with atheist and have an atheistic agenda to turn people away from God.
What?? lol
Do you really think most the sudents who go to Baylor are actually Baptist (or even Christians for that matter)?
I'm sure there is an equal mix of all kinds of beliefs there. Just like any other college.
Are you also trying to say all the professors there are Christian? That would be wrong.
Baylor teaches evolution...no where in the class is the existence of God made important or even really plausible.
I'm sure many students who came into those clsses as Christians left feeling unsure.
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