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The overwhelming majority of those professors teaching such science believe that the naturalistic process of evolution explains life totally. They see no need for a higher being such as God. They believe this because one can explain away God with such theories. These same schools that teach evolution, do not teach the existence of God in those courses. In fact, if you go and ask the professors that teach these courses it would be rare to find one that actually does believe in a god.
These universties are teaching atheism through evolution and your approving...how very sad.
You made a bet. You're on. Now back up your assertion that all these scientists are athiests.
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You made a bet. You're on. Now back up your assertion that all these scientists are athiests.
What do you think, time for more e-mails straight to the professors themselves? I attend the University of California, Irvine. It wouldn't be too difficult to sit in on an evolutionary biology lecture or two.
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According the Sigma Xi. , a professional society that was "founded in 1886 to honor excellence in scientific investigation and encourage a sense of companionship and cooperation among researchers in all fields of science and engineering."
In a survey where 3300 American scientists who responded ,
* half participate in religious activities regularly.
* 43% of Ph.D. scientists attend church (while 44% of the American public do)
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To answer one objection I saw-- speciation is not evolution.
Well holy cow, now we are not just moving goal posts around we are moving the entire soccer field about. Speciation is not evolution, since when?
Can you back that up ? Or, are you just acknowledging that "yeah speciation happens ok, but I still refuse to accept evolution".
Hehe. I just did a google seach on " speciation is not evolution." it seems that a lot of creationist websites are now making that claim. All I can say is WOW. I suppose that if you start to loose your arguement you simply re-define the terms. Can you imagine a defense lawer doing that in cort "But your Honor, killing a human being is NOT murder, so my client must be aquitted on all murder charges because although he did kill those people in cold blood he didn't murder them". Maybe next time I get a parking ticket I can just redefine the term "parking" and claim that while my car was stopped there and I wasn't in my car for 4 hours it wasn't actually parker there". How about next time I go to a restaurant I will just redefine "money" to mean that if I write $45.50 on the napkin with my wife's lipsitck it counts as "money". The next time my wife gets annoyed with me because I forgot something on the list from grocery shopping I will just redefine it - "Oh no Honey, I didnt forget the "sugar", because these chocolate bars I bought count as "sugar" according to my special definition."
Who else can come up with some cheap redefinitions of terms to suit their purposes.
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Do you really think most the sudents who go to Baylor are actually Baptist (or even Christians for that matter)?
I'm sure there is an equal mix of all kinds of beliefs there. Just like any other college.
Are you also trying to say all the professors there are Christian? That would be wrong.
Baylor teaches evolution...no where in the class is the existence of God made important or even really plausible.
I'm sure many students who came into those clsses as Christians left feeling unsure.
Remember, you're the one claiming that schools that teach evolution believe that evolution is all that's needed and God is not required. Do you think a Baptist university would be supporting of an atheistic agenda? You made the claim, why don't you back it up?
Gee, just for fun, here's biography of one of the "atheist" biology professors at Baylor.
Originally Posted by Joseph White
In the department, I serve as an adviser for Baylor's chapter of Beta Beta Beta, the national honor society for biology, and as the chair of the scholarships and awards. My professional memberships include American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing, American Geophysical Union, Ecological Society of America, American Institute of Biological Sciences, and the Sigma Xi. My family and I have been active members of St. Jerome's parish since 1998. Personally, I am an outdoor enthusiast, enjoying camping, fly-fishing, and downhill skiing.
Darn those atheist professors! I love how so many Creationists continue to distort reality so that their side might "win".
Just to make a point, here's another one of the biology professors at Baylor:
Originally Posted by James Tandy
Additional Info – Married to Norma Tandy (Physician Assistant retired); 4 children; Continue to maintain full time medical practice with Waco Otolaryngology Associates; Elder Redeemer Presbyterian Church (www.redeemerwaco.org)
And of course, the most evil of the atheistic professors...
Originally Posted by Chris Kearny
My wife, Virginia, and I assist with the Crane Scholars Program, which seeks to prepare the next generation of Christian professors. It is an intellectual community of Christian undergraduates that meets in our house every other Friday for dinners and book discussions. We are also small group leaders at Antioch Community Church. Virginia has been an instructor in the English Department for several years, but now that we have five young children, she has taken a "sabbatical." We have three birth children and two children adopted from China.
These EACists are so deep, they pentrate the very core of Christianity. For any lurkers out there, take a very close look at the side of Creationists. It's not too hard to realize they know not what they claim.
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It looks like it would be wrong to assume that students are not hearing about God in biology classrooms at Baylor because their professors are biased. It looks like it would be correct to assume that students are not hearing about God in biology classrooms at Baylor because even their Christian professors know God is not a valid topic in a science classroom.
Baylor teaches evolution...no where in the class is the existence of God made important or even really plausible.
I'm sure many students who came into those clsses as Christians left feeling unsure.
And I'm assuming that you have personally sat in a Baylor's classroom through a class on evolution before being able to confirm these things? Because if not, dear friend, you do not have the evidence to support what you have said, and it wouldn't be a stretch to say that false testimony has been given here, which breaks both the Ten Commandments and civil law.
Unsubstantiated statements are dangerous.
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Well holy cow, now we are not just moving goal posts around we are moving the entire soccer field about. Speciation is not evolution, since when?
Give it ten years and they'll be confidently saying "But evolution is not evolution!"
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