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16th January 2006, 12:30 AM
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One can still be a son of God through faith in Christ, God's Son, and believe that something mundane is true even if its not true. Say you believe its raining in Zimbabwe right now, but its not, but you insist to everyone that it most definitely is, even though it isnt. Now, that would make you a liar to do that, but per Mark 3:28-30:
[bible]mark 3:28-30[/bible]
It is forgiven. Along with accepting the theory of evolution. Along with reading Harry Potter. Along with all that mountain of sins. See what he suffered through by 1 account:
Matthew 27:27-43 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers. (28) And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe. (29) And when they had plaited a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews! (30) And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head. (31) And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him. (32) And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross. (33) And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, (34) They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink. (35) And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots. (36) And sitting down they watched him there; (37) And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. (38) Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left. (39) And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads, (40) And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. (41) Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said, (42) He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. (43) He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Mocking, spitting, beating, and crucifixion on top of it all. Belief in the theory of evolution is a forgivable sin, if it is a sin at all. The Bible says it happened one way, evolution says it happened in a way that is not congruent with the biblical account. I've taken enough biology to know and understand why many people buy it, but I just can't make that leap of faith into believing it. There's too many missing pieces in ToE to prove that the origin of man was caused by evolution, but that's just me! But all I need to accept the 6 day creation story is faith in Christ, who said the scriptures could not be broken. then i just believe what i read. and yknow what, it doesnt bother me one iota. science won't be set back by my personal belief in young-earth creation, the cure for cancer won't come any later because i ask people to boycott evolution threads.
As for me, I know that the Messiah Yeshua of Nazareth, our Lord, is the cure for cancer, and far more. But O Lord, who hath believed our report?
Isaiah 53:1-3 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? (2) For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
He died as a man accursed, crucified, abandoned by his friends. But he rose from the dead. That's all the proof I need that ToE is flawed. | 
16th January 2006, 01:10 AM
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Reps: 17,483,847 (power: 17,494) | | Originally Posted by ILoveYeshua Belief in the theory of evolution is a forgivable sin, if it is a sin at all. The Bible says it happened one way, evolution says it happened in a way that is not congruent with the biblical account. I've taken enough biology to know and understand why many people buy it, but I just can't make that leap of faith into believing it. There's too many missing pieces in ToE to prove that the origin of man was caused by evolution, but that's just me! But all I need to accept the 6 day creation story is faith in Christ, who said the scriptures could not be broken. then i just believe what i read. and yknow what, it doesnt bother me one iota. science won't be set back by my personal belief in young-earth creation, the cure for cancer won't come any later because i ask people to boycott evolution threads.
As for me, I know that the Messiah Yeshua of Nazareth, our Lord, is the cure for cancer, and far more. But O Lord, who hath believed our report?
Isaiah 53:1-3 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? (2) For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
He died as a man accursed, crucified, abandoned by his friends. But he rose from the dead. That's all the proof I need that ToE is flawed.
Now there's something I sink my teeth into that's real. I couldn't agree more! What a refreshingly strong and solid post that sums it all up. Thanks!
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16th January 2006, 01:29 AM
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Reps: 6,363 (power: 17) | | Originally Posted by ILoveYeshua He died as a man accursed, crucified, abandoned by his friends. But he rose from the dead. That's all the proof I need that ToE is flawed.
How is your conclusion (the ToE is false) derived from your premise (Jesus was resurrected)?
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16th January 2006, 01:59 AM
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Reps: 1,316 (power: 9) | | Originally Posted by ILoveYeshua One can still be a son of God through faith in Christ, God's Son, and believe that something mundane is true even if its not true. Ok, now that we've got that cleared up: 4) This issue has been discussed to death. It has become a major waste of time to the christian community. There's a reason we're not supposed to cast our pearls before swine. This debate is not a case of Christians "casting their pearls before swine" (supporters of evolution) because, as we have resolved, there are Christians on both sides of the debate. 5) Those who love to argue the pro-evolution side of the issue are only trying to stumble those who believe God's account of events, and they feed upon the controversy. The more time you feed them, the happier they are. This point does not apply because, again, there are Christians on both sides. The Christians supporting evolution believe God's account of events just as much as the YECs, they just read it allegorically. The debate is not Christians vs. those who are trying to "stumble those who believe God's account of events". 6) Honestly, set the filter to show every message ever posted on this subject. Isn't that enough? Hasn't a stand been made already? Focus rather on fellowship with the willing.
This debate is not based on "taking a stand" for Christianity since, again, there are Christians on both sides.
All that we're now left with is your assertion that the debate is a waste of time because no one is going to change their minds. Since people have changed their minds, this is not a correct assertion. Even if you still think the debate is a waste of time, other Christians obviously do not.
Do you have any other reasons why Christians should boycott the debate? Because as far as I can tell, none of the points from your OP are valid. | 
16th January 2006, 06:05 AM
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Reps: 6,001 (power: 16) | | Originally Posted by ILoveYeshua He died as a man accursed, crucified, abandoned by his friends. But he rose from the dead. That's all the proof I need that ToE is flawed.
It's your logic that is flawed, fatally so. Christ's deat and resurrection says nothing about the method God used to create. | 
16th January 2006, 12:53 PM
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16th January 2006, 01:13 PM
| | Newbie 60  | | Join Date: 16th January 2006
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Yes Jesus never lied but everybody doesn't understand with the same meaning this verse in John 6 :56 :
"Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him."
And it may be possible that is't the same for others verses. | 
16th January 2006, 01:20 PM
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Christ's resurrection proves he never lied, which proves the scriptures cannot be broken, which confirms the validity of the stories therein.
Uhmm...
How can Jesus' supposed resurrection prove anything if the resurrection itself wasn't proven?
It's a myth...
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16th January 2006, 01:23 PM
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Reps: 62,980,802,845,148,856 (power: 62,980,802,845,162) | | Originally Posted by ILoveYeshua He died as a man accursed, crucified, abandoned by his friends. But he rose from the dead. That's all the proof I need that ToE is flawed.
So you're ignorant and determined to remain ignorant. What exactly is praise-worthy about that? If you can't understand the difference between belief and knowledge...
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16th January 2006, 02:01 PM
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Reps: 1,316 (power: 9) | | Originally Posted by ILoveYeshua Christ's resurrection proves he never lied, which proves the scriptures cannot be broken, which confirms the validity of the stories therein.
Haven't we already gone over all of this? Why does "cannot be broken" have to mean "must be taken as literal history"? Why is the Bible "broken" if taken allegorically? |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |