Oh yeah, and could you please explain what purpose it served for Satan to convince EO, OO, Anglicans, Lutherans and whoever else, that Peter was the 1st Pope?
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Of course, it couldn't be that Satan would want us to believe Peter wasn't Pope, now would it?
Which is more likely, he tricked all of Christianity for 1500-1700 years and most Christians living today and the minority, the fringe Christians following modern doctrines have it right...
Or the protestants witht Church history entirely not in their favor, are rewriting it to fit their modern doctrines?
Hmm.
I doubt that the OP could provide sufficient documentary evidence - by his own restrictions - that shows that Peter was not in Rome.
Frankly, I find the Church Fathers compelling enough. When those bits and pieces were written there was but one Church and the Fathers are not the exclusive property of Catholicism.
Oh yeah, and could you please explain what purpose it served for Satan to convince EO, OO, Anglicans, Lutherans and whoever else, that Peter was the 1st Pope?
Because it would hide the 'true' doctrines of Christianity which have absolutely no basis in the early Church and can't be found in patristic writings, Ecumenical Councils or Church teachings.
I guess some people think it wasn't until the Reformation that the 'true' doctrines, new though they may have been, got out!
Oh yeah, and could you please explain what purpose it served for Satan to convince EO, OO, Anglicans, Lutherans and whoever else, that Peter was the 1st Pope?
There have been leaders deceived by Satan in every denomination. What about all of the massacres that were commited in Scotland and Ireland back in the 1500s and 1600s? Thousands of protestants were massacered because of their denial of the eucharist. They were burned at the stake. Women had their beasts cut off and left to bleed to death. Pregnant women had their fetus' cut out and fed to the dogs, while their husband were made to watch. It is historical fact, and these are just a couple of examples, and it was all done in the name of God.
Yeah. There is much deceit. And Satans purpose will be revealed in a very short time, when the beast is in the picture. Our job as Christians is to get people saved, and taught correctly. People need rebirth and truth, not conversion.
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Fear can be as strong, if not stronger than faith. God's perfect love casts out fear.
Deception wouldn't be so deceiving, if it wasn't so deceptive.
We shall know the truth and the truth shall make us free. But we need a knowledge of the truth, and an understanding of the Word of God, and a resolution to act on His Word.
__________________ "Acquire a peaceful spirit and 1000s around you will be saved"--St. Seraphim
”For as it is not yet six thousand years since the first man, who is called Adam, are not those to be ridiculed rather than refuted who try to persuade us of anything regarding a space of time so different from, and contrary to, the ascertained truth?” St. Augustine
Yeah. There is much deceit. And Satans purpose will be revealed in a very short time, when the beast is in the picture. Our job as Christians is to get people saved, and taught correctly. People need rebirth and truth, not conversion.
All are welcome in the Catholic Church - a bastion of Christian protection against the Reformist heresies.
As for Satan's purpose being made clear in a very short time.....I'll add that to the writings of 2000 years of Christianity when the Morningstar's effects have always been just around the corner.
Oh, and no one is denying that certain leaders fell into error and heresy.
__________________ "Acquire a peaceful spirit and 1000s around you will be saved"--St. Seraphim
”For as it is not yet six thousand years since the first man, who is called Adam, are not those to be ridiculed rather than refuted who try to persuade us of anything regarding a space of time so different from, and contrary to, the ascertained truth?” St. Augustine
Which is more likely, he tricked all of Christianity for 1500-1700 years and most Christians living today and the minority, the fringe Christians following modern doctrines have it right...
I have no answer for that. I was not there 1700 years ago. It's enough to try and keep the written Word intact these days. I can't tell you about history and tradition, but I can find what the Word says given a bit of time. So I usually prefer to list chapter and verse reference - "it is written".
Along that concept you mentioned, what can you find in the Word that may give insight?
Were there any extended periods in the bible where believers took the wrong path of belief?
How long until all Asia turned away from Paul?
Is there anywhere in the Old Testment where a large body of believers (not a nation or bloodline) held-fast to the accurate teaching and application of the written Word for more than 2 generations?
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