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Reps: 1,993,897,128,709,277 (power: 1,993,897,128,721) | | Originally Posted by repentant Can you name a source? I would like to see this.. It turns out that there's a reason St. Peter's Basilica was built where it stands. A reason Michelangelo's dome, Bernini's spiral-columned canopy and the main altar are all precisely where they are. In 1939, workers renovating the grottoes beneath St. Peter's, the traditional burial area of the popes, made a stunning find. Just below the floor level, they discovered an ancient Roman grave. It soon became clear that there wasn't just one grave, but an entire city of the dead. After many months of digging, the excavators came to a section of older graves, near the area underneath the high altar. Directly beneath the altar, they found a large burial site and a wall painted red. Back along an ancient subterranean path between two rows of fragile Christian tombs a small pillar that was part of one of the earliest monuments over the saint's grave, a wall that once bore a faint Greek inscription “Petros emi” translated as "Here lies Peter," In a niche connected to that wall, they found the bones determined to be those of a 60- to 70-year-old man who had died nearly 1,900 years earlier.. Also, remember that at the time “Peter” was not a proper name. Caius, as recorded by Eusebius said: “I can point out the trophies of the Apostles, for if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian Way you will find the trophies of those who founded this Church. If that’s not enough, it is the constant teaching for nearly 2000 years and of the Patristic Writers that Peter was martyred and buried in Rome. In actual fact, the evidence of Peter's martyrdom in Rome is infinitely more vast than the evidence, for example, of Hannibal's crossing the Alps. Those casting doubt are clearly operating from a biased predisposition are not weighing the evidence as compared to the other historical events such as Hannibal's. Here is one resource: http://www.sdmart.org/pix/education/vatican-teacher-guide.pdf Archaeologists Dig for Clues. Kate Duke, Harper Trophy Books The Bones of Saint Peter: The fascinating Account of the Search for the Apostle’s Body – John E. Walsh The Shrine of St. Peter and the Vatican Excavations. Peter J Toynbee and J. Ward Perkins, Pantheon Books Additionally, scholarly studies have been performed at the major European Universities, both secular and religious.
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Reps: 14,407 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by IgnatiusOfAntioch It turns out that there's a reason St. Peter's Basilica was built where it stands. A reason Michelangelo's dome, Bernini's spiral-columned canopy and the main altar are all precisely where they are. In 1939, workers renovating the grottoes beneath St. Peter's, the traditional burial area of the popes, made a stunning find. Just below the floor level, they discovered an ancient Roman grave. It soon became clear that there wasn't just one grave, but an entire city of the dead. After many months of digging, the excavators came to a section of older graves, near the area underneath the high altar. Directly beneath the altar, they found a large burial site and a wall painted red. Back along an ancient subterranean path between two rows of fragile Christian tombs a small pillar that was part of one of the earliest monuments over the saint's grave, a wall that once bore a faint Greek inscription “Petros emi” translated as "Here lies Peter," In a niche connected to that wall, they found the bones determined to be those of a 60- to 70-year-old man who had died nearly 1,900 years earlier.. Also, remember that at the time “Peter” was not a proper name. Caius, as recorded by Eusebius said: “I can point out the trophies of the Apostles, for if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian Way you will find the trophies of those who founded this Church. If that’s not enough, it is the constant teaching for nearly 2000 years and of the Patristic Writers that Peter was martyred and buried in Rome. In actual fact, the evidence of Peter's martyrdom in Rome is infinitely more vast than the evidence, for example, of Hannibal's crossing the Alps. Those casting doubt are clearly operating from a biased predisposition are not weighing the evidence as compared to the other historical events such as Hannibal's. Here is one resource: http://www.sdmart.org/pix/education/vatican-teacher-guide.pdf Archaeologists Dig for Clues. Kate Duke, Harper Trophy Books The Bones of Saint Peter: The fascinating Account of the Search for the Apostle’s Body – John E. Walsh The Shrine of St. Peter and the Vatican Excavations. Peter J Toynbee and J. Ward Perkins, Pantheon Books Additionally, scholarly studies have been performed at the major European Universities, both secular and religious.
I hope you didn't take my asking for a source as me being sarcastic. In case you didn't notice my faith icon, I am Orthodox and we do believe Peter was in and martyred in Rome... 
Anyway, that is very interesting. So in 1939 they found this? How come we, or at least I never heard of it?
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19th February 2006, 11:22 PM
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Reps: 1,993,897,128,709,277 (power: 1,993,897,128,721) | | Originally Posted by repentant I hope you didn't take my asking for a source as me being sarcastic. In case you didn't notice my faith icon, I am Orthodox and we do believe Peter was in and martyred in Rome...
Anyway, that is very interesting. So in 1939 they found this? How come we, or at least I never heard of it?
Have they found anything more recently?
I apologize if I gave that impression. No, I definitely was not being sarcastic. I sometimes include additional detail because of readers who may not be aware of the facts.
As far as I know, this is the most recent new information.
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Whilst he might have had some pre-eminence in the Apostolic College, or group, there's nothing at all in Scripture or Tradition to warrant any connection with the Bishop of Rome!
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Which Spirit though...
Last post was three years ago.
Lord have mercy.
Forgive me...
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,878) | | Originally Posted by OrthodoxyUSA Which Spirit though...
Last post was three years ago.
Lord have mercy.
Forgive me...
The spirit moves in sometimes mysterious way 
Ezekiel 8:3 And He putteth forth a form of a hand and is taking me by a lock of my head, and a spirit she is lifting me between the Land and the Heavens, and she is bringing me Jerusalem-ward in appearance of Elohiym to portal of gate, the inner the one facing north-ward which there a seat of a figure/image of the jealously, the provoking jealously.
Reve 17:3 And he carries me away into a wilderness in spirit, and I saw a Woman sitting on a beast, scarlet, being replete of names of blasphemy having heads, seven, and horns, ten.
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I did find this, which I think is interesting. Is it the truth? I don't know. In the end, what I know is Jesus is my High Priest, and I am a vicar of Christ - I am His vessel. There is no need for another man to fulfill the promise that has been given to me. Saint Peter's Jerusalem Tomb
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Reps: 154,708,238,853,052,768 (power: 154,708,238,853,063) | | what of Moses and Jethro and the rules of the congregation which became the "magesterium"....
what of Aaron and his seeds (one person, one seat, one chair) the high priests
what of the Popes of Avigion and Rome..."pizza-pizza" 2 for the price of one....
what of the keys to the kingdom and Jesus' words, you are the rock and upon your faith, I will start the beurocracy of the church....
what do you want....1625 years from now King James and some very conservative people will revise the book translated by Jerome and.....  I don't think so... | | |
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