It turns out that there's a reason St. Peter's Basilica was built where it stands. A reason Michelangelo's dome, Bernini's spiral-columned canopy and the main altar are all precisely where they are.
In 1939, workers renovating the grottoes beneath St. Peter's, the traditional burial area of the popes, made a stunning find. Just below the floor level, they discovered an ancient Roman grave. It soon became clear that there wasn't just one grave, but an entire city of the dead. After many months of digging, the excavators came to a section of older graves, near the area underneath the high altar. Directly beneath the altar, they found a large burial site and a wall painted red. Back along an ancient subterranean path between two rows of fragile Christian tombs a small pillar that was part of one of the earliest monuments over the saint's grave, a wall that once bore a faint Greek inscription “Petros emi” translated as "Here lies Peter," In a niche connected to that wall, they found the bones determined to be those of a 60- to 70-year-old man who had died nearly 1,900 years earlier.. Also, remember that at the time “Peter” was not a proper name.
Caius, as recorded by Eusebius said: “I can point out the trophies of the Apostles, for if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian Way you will find the trophies of those who founded this Church.
If that’s not enough, it is the constant teaching for nearly 2000 years and of the Patristic Writers that Peter was martyred and buried in Rome.
In actual fact, the evidence of Peter's martyrdom in Rome is infinitely more vast than the evidence, for example, of Hannibal's crossing the Alps. Those casting doubt are clearly operating from a biased predisposition are not weighing the evidence as compared to the other historical events such as Hannibal's.
Archaeologists Dig for Clues. Kate Duke, Harper Trophy Books
The Bones of Saint Peter: The fascinating Account of the Search for the Apostle’s Body – John E. Walsh
The Shrine of St. Peter and the Vatican Excavations. Peter J Toynbee and J. Ward Perkins, Pantheon Books
Additionally, scholarly studies have been performed at the major European Universities, both secular and religious.
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Dirige, Dominus Deus meus, in conspectu tuo viam meam
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Agnus Dei Qui tolis peccata mundi miserere nobis.
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Adoramus te, Christe
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It turns out that there's a reason St. Peter's Basilica was built where it stands. A reason Michelangelo's dome, Bernini's spiral-columned canopy and the main altar are all precisely where they are.
In 1939, workers renovating the grottoes beneath St. Peter's, the traditional burial area of the popes, made a stunning find. Just below the floor level, they discovered an ancient Roman grave. It soon became clear that there wasn't just one grave, but an entire city of the dead. After many months of digging, the excavators came to a section of older graves, near the area underneath the high altar. Directly beneath the altar, they found a large burial site and a wall painted red. Back along an ancient subterranean path between two rows of fragile Christian tombs a small pillar that was part of one of the earliest monuments over the saint's grave, a wall that once bore a faint Greek inscription “Petros emi” translated as "Here lies Peter," In a niche connected to that wall, they found the bones determined to be those of a 60- to 70-year-old man who had died nearly 1,900 years earlier.. Also, remember that at the time “Peter” was not a proper name.
Caius, as recorded by Eusebius said: “I can point out the trophies of the Apostles, for if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian Way you will find the trophies of those who founded this Church.
If that’s not enough, it is the constant teaching for nearly 2000 years and of the Patristic Writers that Peter was martyred and buried in Rome.
In actual fact, the evidence of Peter's martyrdom in Rome is infinitely more vast than the evidence, for example, of Hannibal's crossing the Alps. Those casting doubt are clearly operating from a biased predisposition are not weighing the evidence as compared to the other historical events such as Hannibal's.
Archaeologists Dig for Clues. Kate Duke, Harper Trophy Books
The Bones of Saint Peter: The fascinating Account of the Search for the Apostle’s Body – John E. Walsh
The Shrine of St. Peter and the Vatican Excavations. Peter J Toynbee and J. Ward Perkins, Pantheon Books
Additionally, scholarly studies have been performed at the major European Universities, both secular and religious.
I hope you didn't take my asking for a source as me being sarcastic. In case you didn't notice my faith icon, I am Orthodox and we do believe Peter was in and martyred in Rome...
Anyway, that is very interesting. So in 1939 they found this? How come we, or at least I never heard of it?
I hope you didn't take my asking for a source as me being sarcastic. In case you didn't notice my faith icon, I am Orthodox and we do believe Peter was in and martyred in Rome...
Anyway, that is very interesting. So in 1939 they found this? How come we, or at least I never heard of it?
Have they found anything more recently?
I apologize if I gave that impression. No, I definitely was not being sarcastic. I sometimes include additional detail because of readers who may not be aware of the facts.
As far as I know, this is the most recent new information.
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Wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
.
Ora, ora pro nobis.
Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam
.
HOC EST ENIM CORPUS MEUMQUOD PRO VOBIS TRADÈTUR.
(Luke 22:19 b - This isMy body which is given up for you.)
.
Dirige, Dominus Deus meus, in conspectu tuo viam meam
.
Agnus Dei Qui tolis peccata mundi miserere nobis.
.
Adoramus te, Christe
.
If you would like to learn more about the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church, please ask me about the chnetwork dot org. I promise, if you unite yourself to Jesus Christ through His Church, you will experience the great gift He has promised to those who follow Him. As Jesus said, "He who eats My body and drinks My blood lives in Me and I in him and I will raise him up on the last day." And He is faithful and sure to keep His promises. Repent, turn to the Gospel and be saved and you will have everlasting life. (Mark 1:15)
"I have set before you life and death, a blessing and a curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live" -Deuteronomy 30:19
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I disagee entirely with the comment that Peter was first Bishop of Rome! He was an apostle, a member of the apostolic college and as such had no need of that title!
Whilst he might have had some pre-eminence in the Apostolic College, or group, there's nothing at all in Scripture or Tradition to warrant any connection with the Bishop of Rome!
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William Tyndale cried out "Lord, open the King of Englands eyes"
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I am not saying anything one way or the other. I for one do not believe that Peter was the first pope, or that he was a bishop of Rome.
I did find this, which I think is interesting. Is it the truth? I don't know. In the end, what I know is Jesus is my High Priest, and I am a vicar of Christ - I am His vessel. There is no need for another man to fulfill the promise that has been given to me.
what of Moses and Jethro and the rules of the congregation which became the "magesterium"....
what of Aaron and his seeds (one person, one seat, one chair) the high priests
what of the Popes of Avigion and Rome..."pizza-pizza" 2 for the price of one....
what of the keys to the kingdom and Jesus' words, you are the rock and upon your faith, I will start the beurocracy of the church....
what do you want....1625 years from now King James and some very conservative people will revise the book translated by Jerome and..... I don't think so...
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