Please Provide Historical Proof That Peter Was The First Pope.

Why the funk would a source have to call him Pope from that early? Pope means "Papa". Oh darn, Peter wasnt necessarily referred to as Papa. Whoopy do. The Bishop of Alexandria is also called Pope. That has nothing to do with anything but I thought Id throw it out there. James was Bishop of Jerusalem as evidenced by him leading the Council there. It doesnt flat out call him Bishop but oh well. Jesus doesnt flat out call Himself God either.

These threads are silly. Why would the RCC, EO, and OO all witness to Peter's Bishopric? Why make it up. The EO, and OO dont hinge their authority upon it (and neither do the RCC), so why would they make it up?

Peter was in Rome. He was in charge there. Thus, he was a Pope aka Bishop of Rome.

I dont see spaghetti in writings before 125 and that saddens me bc I love spaghetti and I really want to believe it exists.

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Hey J.S.

One thing that is not discuused here on these threads is Satan. He is the author of confusion, and the accuser of the brethren. And if any denomination thinks that he isn't active, and apparent in all of church history, and trying to get christians to screw up facts, then we are all mistaken. Look how the theory of evolution got into the classroom, and how prayer was taken out of the schools. And it is always well meaning christians, or the world that is responsible for starting these shananigans, it takes hold, and others run with it. Remember the American Nazi Party. There was always someone to take up leadership over that mess.

Blessings. Rev.

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Fear can be as strong, if not stronger than faith. God's perfect love casts out fear.

Deception wouldn't be so deceiving, if it wasn't so deceptive.

We shall know the truth and the truth shall make us free. But we need a knowledge of the truth, and an understanding of the Word of God, and a resolution to act on His Word.

Pope is a later affectionate title given to the Bishop of Rome.
Peter was the first Bishop of Rome. The only two apostles that went to Rome were Peter and Paul and there is no historical account of Paul or anyone else being Bishop of Rome.

Anyways, here's a third party source from around that time:

"V. And as they prayed and fasted, God was already teaching Peter at Jerusalem of that which should come to pass. For whereas the twelve years which the Lord Christ had enjoined upon him were fulfilled, he showed him a vision after this manner, saying unto him: Peter, that Simon the sorcerer whom thou didst cast out of Judaea, convicting him, hath again come before thee (prevented thee) at Rome. And that shalt thou know shortly (or, and that thou mayest know in few words): for all that did believe in me hath Satan made to fall by his craft and working: whose Power Simon approveth himself to be. But delay thee not: set forth on the morrow, and there shalt thou find a ship ready, setting sail for Italy, and within few days I will show thee my grace which hath in it no grudging. Peter then, admonished by the vision, related it unto the brethren without delay, saying: It is necessary for me to go up unto Rome to fight with the enemy and adversary of the Lord and of our brethren." -from the Acts of Peter

"XXVII. In the meanwhile the widow's son also was brought upon a bed by the young men, and the people made way for them and brought them unto Peter. And Peter lifted up his eyes unto heaven and stretched forth his hands and said: O holy Father of thy Son Jesus Christ. who hast granted us thy power, that we may through thee ask and obtain, and despise all that is in the world, and follow thee only, who art seen of few and wouldest be known of many: shine thou about us, Lord, enlighten us, appear thou, raise up the son of this aged widow, which cannot help herself without her son. And I, repeating the word of Christ my Lord, say unto thee: Young man, arise and walk with thy mother so long as thou canst do her good; and thereafter shalt thou serve me after a higher sort, ministering in the lot of a deacon of the bishop (or, and of a bishop). And immediately the dead man rose up, and the multitudes saw it and marvelled, and the people cried out: Thou art God the Saviour, thou, the God of Peter, the invisible God, the Saviour. And they spake among themselves, marvelling indeed at the power of a man that called upon his Lord with a word; and they received it unto sanctification." -from the Acts of Peter

We see clearly in reading the Acts of Peter that he was in Rome. I could quote a whole lot to show when he said that he was in Rome. When he says you will serve me after, ministering in the lot of a deacon of a Bishop... well, that's pretty durn clear too.

That pretty much answers your challenge.

If I ever get weary of studying what Catholics believe which I do for several hours every day I just waltz over here and see what Revduane and all the other GT condescending crowd are getting all carnal over...check out whatever argument that they can't win but have started just to stir the pot.

Ok...I'm fueled up for another few days. Thanks guys/gals!

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Mines from about that time, Peter is in Rome and while there, appoints the man to serve him as deacon of a Bishop.

You are very welcome. And you are too kind, and a total inspiration of what an example should be. By the way. I am not condescending, I just challenge what I know to be inacurate. And then I am counter challenged. It is I guess what you could say to be an equal challenge from 2 or more viewpoints.

Blessings to ya. Rev.Duane.

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Fear can be as strong, if not stronger than faith. God's perfect love casts out fear.

Deception wouldn't be so deceiving, if it wasn't so deceptive.

We shall know the truth and the truth shall make us free. But we need a knowledge of the truth, and an understanding of the Word of God, and a resolution to act on His Word.

Shelb5 has provided ample evidence for the Catholic side of the argument. I believe that the OP's challenge is problematic, though, since belief in Peter's papacy is theological and if anyone were to believe it, he would convert to Catholicism (or Eastern Orthodoxy, perhaps) and thus cease to be a third party.

In other words, it's like a non-Christian asking for proof from a third party in the 1st century that Jesus was the human incarnation of God. You won't find it, because if the writer believed it, he would probably convert to Christianity. We have plenty of evidence from non-Christians for Christ's existence, but none for His divinity.

edit- Also, why would a non-Christian write about St. Peter or any of the Apostles anyway, no matter where they were? Even though I believe St. Peter to be the first Pope, he was small potatoes compared to Our Lord.

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Yes, Satan is making us think Peter was the Pope. Why Satan cares about that, Im not sure. He really fooled us Orthodox, and the Oriental Orthodox, and probably the conservative Anglicans and some Lutherans too. Satan is making us think Peter was a Pope, he's not fueling the repeated questioning of 2000 yrs of truth and wisdom.

I wonder, if the Holy Spirit lead the disciples into all the truth, and Christ promised the gates of Hades would not prevail, then where are these people that have retained the fulness of truth, since its not the Catholic or the Orthodox. Surely there must be an unbroken line of that fulness of truth preserved. Christ delivered the faith once and for all to the saints, so whos got it now?

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”For as it is not yet six thousand years since the first man, who is called Adam, are not those to be ridiculed rather than refuted who try to persuade us of anything regarding a space of time so different from, and contrary to, the ascertained truth?” St. Augustine

I am glad you finally see the truth.

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Fear can be as strong, if not stronger than faith. God's perfect love casts out fear.

Deception wouldn't be so deceiving, if it wasn't so deceptive.

We shall know the truth and the truth shall make us free. But we need a knowledge of the truth, and an understanding of the Word of God, and a resolution to act on His Word.

isnt this a bit arrogant? how can you assure me that is not YOU being mislead?

So for 1000 yrs there was only ONE Church and you insist it was wrong. So then where was this Church that Christ and the Holy Spirit protected?

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"Acquire a peaceful spirit and 1000s around you will be saved"--St. Seraphim

”For as it is not yet six thousand years since the first man, who is called Adam, are not those to be ridiculed rather than refuted who try to persuade us of anything regarding a space of time so different from, and contrary to, the ascertained truth?” St. Augustine