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Meaning of Luke 12:10

I am sure this has been answered before, but this verse really worries me. What does the verse Luke 12:10 mean? Here is what it says in the NAB (the KJV and others are almost identical on this verse):

"Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."

Then in Mark 3:29 the bible says:

"Whosoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin."
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Old 28th December 2005, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMilkman
I am sure this has been answered before, but this verse really worries me. What does the verse Luke 12:10 mean? Here is what it says in the NAB (the KJV and others are almost identical on this verse):

"Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."

Then in Mark 3:29 the bible says:

"Whosoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin."
Also in Matthew 12:31,

blasphemy against the Spirit. Technically, according to the scribes, blaspehemy involved direct and explicit abuse of the divine name. Jesus here teaches that it also may be the reviling of God by attributing the Spirit's work to satan. Some believe that this sin cannot be committed today, but I am not convinced of that.

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That definition is almost as unclear the biblical passages, ha. I just heard a radio interview with a satanist and they were talking about passages in the bible that make God sound like Satan. So would that be blasphemy?
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Yes that would be blasphemy, but I believe you know that.. I am sorry that you did not think that my definition was clear enough for you, I did the best I could.

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Originally Posted by poppinskw
Yes that would be blasphemy, but I believe you know that.. I am sorry that you did not think that my definition was clear enough for you, I did the best I could.

Les
Eek, I just reread what I wrote. I came off as really rude and I appologize. It is 4:30am so bare with me. All I meant was I still don't understand, not that your definition was inadaquate for more intelligent people.
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Ok... let's put it this way: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - the Unforgivable Sin, is Final Impenetance, that is, Dying in a State of Mortal Sin - ie. rejecting Sanctifying Grace.

So, if we reject Sanctifying grace, we reject God, and therefore Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, as we reject Him...

does that make any sense??? -- (I'm not so good with words )
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I have been wondering about this too...
Maybe this is what satan did?
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Originally Posted by Y_Cathol
Ok... let's put it this way: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - the Unforgivable Sin, is Final Impenetance, that is, Dying in a State of Mortal Sin - ie. rejecting Sanctifying Grace.
Another thing people forget (related to this) is that God wishes to bestow on us Sanctifying Grace even more than we ourselves wish to receive it...meditate on that for a while.
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Originally Posted by Y_Cathol
Ok... let's put it this way: Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - the Unforgivable Sin, is Final Impenetance, that is, Dying in a State of Mortal Sin - ie. rejecting Sanctifying Grace.

So, if we reject Sanctifying grace, we reject God, and therefore Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, as we reject Him...

does that make any sense??? -- (I'm not so good with words )
I think you said it quite well

1864 "Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.
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Define "Sanctifying Grace." So basically what it is, is denying God up until death?
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