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2nd December 2005, 02:27 PM
| | | | Need Help with Researching Pagan religion
Some years ago I started a study of the ancient Roman and Greek pagan religious systems, with an eye toward how these systems have infiltrated churches and serve to shipwreck truth and faith.
If you have any concepts or quotes from ancient writings that would shed light in this direction, please post them here.
Examples:
"Thus have the gods spun the thread for wretched mortals: that they live in grief while they themselves are without cares; for two jars stand on the floor of Zeus of the gifts which he gives, one of evils and another of blessings."
Homer c. 700 BC
The Iliad, bk. XXIV, l. 525
"The gods have their own rules.'
Ovid Publius Ovidius Naso 43 BC-AD c. 18
Metamorphoses, IX, 500
"It is not the rich man you should properly call happy, but him who knows how to use with wisdom the blessings of the gods, to endure hard poverty, and who fears dishonor worse than death, and is not afraid to die for cherished friends or fatherland."
Horace Quintus Horatius Flaccus 65-8 BC
Odes, bk. IV [13 b.c.], ode ix, l. 45
"I have known no man of genius who had not to pay, in
some affliction or defect either physical or spiritual,
for what the gods had given him."
Sir Max Beerbohm 1872-1956
No. 2. The Pines
"Lead me, Zeus, and you, Fate, wherever you have assigned me. I shall follow without hesitation; but even if I am disobedient and do not wish to, I shall follow no less surely."
Cleanthes c. 330-232 BC
From Epictetus, Enchiridion, sec. 53
"It is not possible with mortal mind to search out the purposes of the gods."
Pindar c. 518 - c. 438 BC
Fragment 61
"Doubt is part of all religion. All the religious thinkers were doubters."
Isaac Bashevis Singer 1904-
Isaac Bashevis Singer's Universe, interview with Richard Burgin in the New York Times Magazine [December 3, 1978]
"Faith" means not wanting to know what is true.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)
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2nd December 2005, 03:42 PM
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Reps: 280,799,994,826,671 (power: 280,799,994,838) | | Originally Posted by LittleRocketBoy Some years ago I started a study of the ancient Roman and Greek pagan religious systems, with an eye toward how these systems have infiltrated churches and serve to shipwreck truth and faith.
If you have any concepts or quotes from ancient writings that would shed light in this direction, please post them here.
Examples:
"Thus have the gods spun the thread for wretched mortals: that they live in grief while they themselves are without cares; for two jars stand on the floor of Zeus of the gifts which he gives, one of evils and another of blessings."
Homer c. 700 BC
The Iliad, bk. XXIV, l. 525
"The gods have their own rules.'
Ovid Publius Ovidius Naso 43 BC-AD c. 18
Metamorphoses, IX, 500
"It is not the rich man you should properly call happy, but him who knows how to use with wisdom the blessings of the gods, to endure hard poverty, and who fears dishonor worse than death, and is not afraid to die for cherished friends or fatherland."
Horace Quintus Horatius Flaccus 65-8 BC
Odes, bk. IV [13 b.c.], ode ix, l. 45
"I have known no man of genius who had not to pay, in
some affliction or defect either physical or spiritual,
for what the gods had given him."
Sir Max Beerbohm 1872-1956
No. 2. The Pines
"Lead me, Zeus, and you, Fate, wherever you have assigned me. I shall follow without hesitation; but even if I am disobedient and do not wish to, I shall follow no less surely."
Cleanthes c. 330-232 BC
From Epictetus, Enchiridion, sec. 53
"It is not possible with mortal mind to search out the purposes of the gods."
Pindar c. 518 - c. 438 BC
Fragment 61
"Doubt is part of all religion. All the religious thinkers were doubters."
Isaac Bashevis Singer 1904-
Isaac Bashevis Singer's Universe, interview with Richard Burgin in the New York Times Magazine [December 3, 1978]
"Faith" means not wanting to know what is true.
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)
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(for some reason my Yahoo account doesn't want to work for me right now).
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2nd December 2005, 04:55 PM
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Not sure if you e-mailed me yet or not. I checked my account but did not see anything there. Anyway, I will give you a list of books that I have in my library on this subject. I also have some electronic books in Word format that I can send you.
From a google search I did find this article:
The Influence Of Greek Philosophy On The Development Of Christian Theology http://www.gospeltruth.net/gkphilo.htm
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4th December 2005, 09:21 PM
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4th December 2005, 10:50 PM
| | | Originally Posted by wizeone Most pagans have better things to be doing than infiltrating churchs......
I am not really talking about pagans in the church. I am talking about pagan ideas that found their way into Christian theology very early on in history.
Most pagans I know seem to be very nice people. |
4th December 2005, 11:54 PM
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Reps: 47,522,675,293,666,344 (power: 47,522,675,293,686) | | Originally Posted by LittleRocketBoy I am not really talking about pagans in the church. I am talking about pagan ideas that found their way into Christian theology very early on in history.
Most pagans I know seem to be very nice people.
Thanks for the clarification... Am sick of having to explain to many christians that pagans arent really out to get them.... so its nice to know you arent one of those 
I have heard ideas of it has got into roman catholisim a whole bunch but wouldnt know any sources of info sorry | |
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