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Old 30th September 2002, 11:42 AM
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To Bear:

Well, the C-14 dating of the Shroud has been questioned by Harry E. Gove, PhD, co-inventor of the use of accelerator mass spectrometry for carbon dating. Dr. Gove is professor emeritus of physics at the University of Rochester in New York.

"A swing of 1,000 years would be a big change, but it's not wildly out of the question, and the issue needs to be resolved," he said.

Here's a link:
http://www.uthscsa.edu/mission/spring96/shroud.htm

I'd say Dr Gove may be an authority on this.



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Originally posted by VOW
I'd say Dr Gove may be an authority on this.
I doubt it. Maybe Joe G. Meert can tell us if Dr. Gove has done any work with C-14 dating.

Edit to add:

I looked around and it looks like Gove does have experience with radiometric dating. It's mentioned on his bio page at Rochester.
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Thanks for the link, VOW.

But that article is addressing possible dating results flaws, based on contaminants.

I am asking you to back up your claim that fire or high temperatures affect C-14 dating results.

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More on Gove:

In his book he apparently advocates a 14th century origin.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_shro3.htm
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I too would like to know how fire affects C-14 dating.
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Originally posted by TheBear
BTW, my faith in God is not based on shrouds, crying statues, stained glass images, stratoshperic phenomena, or any such "signs". Nor do these things support my faith, one iota.
Of course not, but I imagine you think they cant happen either.
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Why do you care about fire and C14 Rufus and Bear? The C14 has already been shown to be flawed from the microorganisms on the linen.
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<SUP>Amazing how these people can dismiss facts concerning anything that most likely was supernatural even when confronted by undisputable proven facts. Yet when&nbsp;a creationist disputes a fact conerning evolution everyone jumps&nbsp;on him/her and attempts to make them look silly.</SUP>

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<SUP>Looks like one would do an in&nbsp;depth study into this subject&nbsp;before debating it. I see people jumping in debating&nbsp;a "flat face" when anyone can&nbsp;see&nbsp;that isn't the case. But they&nbsp;try to stick with it dispite what the human eye can see. Exactly what they say creationist do. Samo samo right?&nbsp;&nbsp;</SUP>

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<SUP>Luke 16:31 </SUP>He said to him, If they do not hear and listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded and convinced and believe [even] if someone should rise from the dead.[/size]
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