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4th July 2003, 03:25 AM
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That's true, John. I think that either way, for some Christians, it is an important devotional focus, allowing one to "participate" in the reality of Christ's crucifixion.
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4th July 2003, 05:48 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Evolution is a "theory" that is what 150 years old, give it another 150 years and it'll be out of our schools. Creationism is gaining momentum quickly. | 
4th July 2003, 05:54 AM
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Reps: 12,682 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Jet Black well the scientists obviously thought about it, so why wouldn't the forger?
Thought about it? Do you mean science thinks this stuff up? Just what is the difference between science and science fiction? | 
4th July 2003, 05:59 AM
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Reps: 12,682 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by worship4ever Evolution is a "theory" that is what 150 years old, give it another 150 years and it'll be out of our schools. Creationism is gaining momentum quickly.
The most I believe we have is 30 years, if we even have that long to go before the Church dispensation or the age of Grace comes to an end.
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4th July 2003, 06:04 AM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by JohnR7 The most I believe we have is 30 years, if we even have that long to go before the Church dispensation or the age of Grace comes to an end.
Church dispensation?
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by JohnR7 Thought about it? Do you mean science thinks this stuff up? Just what is the difference between science and science fiction?
the scientists who looked at the turin shroud and found stuff on it obviously thought to look at where this stuff came from. please don't make me commit blasphemy.
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4th July 2003, 06:06 AM
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Reps: 12,682 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by humblejoe That's true, John. I think that either way, for some Christians, it is an important devotional focus, allowing one to "participate" in the reality of Christ's crucifixion.
Everyone gets to "participate" in calvery. There were three crosses, and everyone has to choose one of those three. Two of those crosses go to Paradise, one does not. To many people on this forum seem to want to choose the cross of the mocker. | 
4th July 2003, 06:10 AM
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Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. [14] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
I can not make you do anything. It is your choice if you want to enter in by the narrow gate that leads to life. Or the wide gate that leads to blasphemy and destruction. | 
4th July 2003, 06:14 AM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by JohnR7 I can not make you do anything. It is your choice if you want to enter in by the narrow gate that leads to life. Or the wide gate that leads to blasphemy and destruction.
you are destroying my faith in the human race. I must assume that you are a troll, because I fail to see how someone can misunderstand so much.
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