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1st October 2002, 01:41 AM
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What is the difference between the Shroud and the Handkerchief?
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er...eh....Size?  |
1st October 2002, 01:48 AM
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How does this belief enrich or strengthen your walk with Christ or your faith in God?
To those who believe the shroud is a hoax:
Do you believe that this discredits Christianity?
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1st October 2002, 02:01 AM
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1st October 2002, 02:06 AM
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If that's all, then I guess they're both signs, then, huh? 
Neal
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1st October 2002, 07:30 AM
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I think the forger was also incredibly intuitive to locate a strip of linen containing the weave characteristic of 1st Century Palestine and imbed within the weave pollen particles also indigenous to not only 1st Century Palestine, BUT ALSO the time of year of the actual Crucifixion as described in Scripture.
Depicting the TWO SEPARATE blood flow patterns, showing how the Crucifixion Figure in the Shroud had to raise and lower himself in order to breathe was also a very clever ploy of the forger, considering that blood spatter patterns is a relatively new forensic investigative study.
Peace,
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Yes, the forger was one bad man, huh?  |
1st October 2002, 07:33 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | I want to know where Mattingly's & Garza-Vermes's work, which you referenced to, has been published.
The Glyph, the journal of The Archaeological Institute of America |
1st October 2002, 07:35 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Nah, we've worked our heinies off providing you with all kinds of information. It's time for YOU to go to work to refute it. Go dig up a 14th-Century GENIUS who had incredible artistic skills, unlimited finances, the ability to travel between Europe and Palestine at whim, archaeological resources AND the desire to create such an artifact, and show some of the notes he left where he developed the ability to scorch the fabric and provide digitizable imagery. He had to have SOME work left behind for posterity. There's REAMS of information left by daVinci, showing his submarine and his helicopter!
Present us with an imposter, and maybe we'll think about it.
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1st October 2002, 07:40 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Not sure exactly what you are talking about, but Jesus was the last sign given to man. And the next sign we will be given, will be His return. He said, there will be many people looking for signs, but there will be none.
wOW! I must be Miss Cleo! Bear said I couldnt read his mind or imagine that he couldnt believe in any signs, and then he posted this on the next page!
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1st October 2002, 07:46 AM
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1st October 2002, 08:35 AM
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To those who believe the shroud is a hoax:
Do you believe that this discredits Christianity?
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Not really. No church has ever acknowledged the shroud to be genuine (as far as I know) and a christian whose only reason to be a christian is the shroud couldn´t be considered to be a "real" christian, could he?
It would discredit those individuals who claim that the shroud proves the crucification and resurrection, though.
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