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For some it provides an increase in faith, for others it is just a holy reminder of Christ's love for us. Me personally, it gives me a visual picture of what the Gopsels give me in a literary manner.
Neal
__________________ War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)
If that's all, then I guess they're both signs, then, huh?
Neal
__________________ War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)
I think the forger was also incredibly intuitive to locate a strip of linen containing the weave characteristic of 1st Century Palestine and imbed within the weave pollen particles also indigenous to not only 1st Century Palestine, BUT ALSO the time of year of the actual Crucifixion as described in Scripture.
Depicting the TWO SEPARATE blood flow patterns, showing how the Crucifixion Figure in the Shroud had to raise and lower himself in order to breathe was also a very clever ploy of the forger, considering that blood spatter patterns is a relatively new forensic investigative study.
Nah, we've worked our heinies off providing you with all kinds of information. It's time for YOU to go to work to refute it. Go dig up a 14th-Century GENIUS who had incredible artistic skills, unlimited finances, the ability to travel between Europe and Palestine at whim, archaeological resources AND the desire to create such an artifact, and show some of the notes he left where he developed the ability to scorch the fabric and provide digitizable imagery. He had to have SOME work left behind for posterity. There's REAMS of information left by daVinci, showing his submarine and his helicopter!
Present us with an imposter, and maybe we'll think about it.
Not sure exactly what you are talking about, but Jesus was the last sign given to man. And the next sign we will be given, will be His return. He said, there will be many people looking for signs, but there will be none.
wOW! I must be Miss Cleo! Bear said I couldnt read his mind or imagine that he couldnt believe in any signs, and then he posted this on the next page!
Originally posted by TheBear
To those who believe the shroud is a hoax:
Do you believe that this discredits Christianity?
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Not really. No church has ever acknowledged the shroud to be genuine (as far as I know) and a christian whose only reason to be a christian is the shroud couldn´t be considered to be a "real" christian, could he?
It would discredit those individuals who claim that the shroud proves the crucification and resurrection, though.
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