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Unread 28th November 2005, 10:06 AM
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Question Does God turn His back on us everytime we sin ?

Hello & God Bless You ! I am a 17 year old girl, and I have been Christian since I was little. Recently I've been going to a Pentecostal church and today (Sunday) they split up the children, the youth and the adults in three seperate groups for sunday school as usual. The church pastor was leading the discussion because she also pastors the youth group and she said that "whenever we sin God turns His back on us because He can not see sin therefore he leaves us". And I disagreed with that because what I read in the word of God is that he will never leave us or forsake us. I told her that if Jesus had not died for us, then God would have to turn His back on us whenever we sin, but since Jesus did die for us God sees us cleansed through the Blood of Jesus. (I think she was trying to scare us away from sinning by saying that "whenever we do sin, even by circumstances/by-mistake God will turn His back on us and leave us " but I believe we should obey God and try to please Him out of our love for Him, not only because we love Him but because He loved us first, Not out of fear, because love out of fear is not perfected love as it says in Romans 8:15) I also told her that by saying that God leaves every single time we sin that we are diminishing God because he is always faithful. She (the youth pastor) was kind of mean and very defensive, she rolled her eyes and told me that I was not going to change her beliefs (& I wasn't trying to, all I was saying was what God was putting in my heart) and she was acting like I was trying to brainwash everyone in the youth group or something. This was very saddening to me, I felt as If I was being persecuted or something :0( Please reply back to my post and let me know your opinion on this. Thank You & God Bless You :0)
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Unread 28th November 2005, 05:53 PM
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Wow, what a tough experience for you! But good on you for standing up and responding to what didn't sit well with you. What about God's mercy? Grace? It could've been that the youth pastor was trying to communicate something else, and then she was too embarrased to admit her mistake to you. Which is really too bad, and not terribly right. I don't quite know what advice to give, because I don't know the person you are talking about, but maybe try talking to your youth pastor in private about it (where there is no other audience). Pray first. Lots. And then come to her with concern, but also willing to listen. Let her know that what she said worried you, and ask her what she was trying to say. If her theology does indeed seem to be a couple bubbles off center, I would confront her first, and then maybe ask her if ya'll could bring it up with another senior pastor.

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No, the Lord does not turn His back on us each time we sin. Christ was slain from before the foundations of the world, and He died for us while we were yet sinners. It also states in the Bible that the Lord is married to the backslider. I'm sorry I'm unable to give you Scriptural references for these passages (gotta run), but believe it when the Lord says that he will never leave us nor forsake us. We may forget God, but He will not forget us (found in NT).
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Originally Posted by nb_christseeker
yet another reason why women shouldnt teach. i'm glad you saw past her lies.

Too bad there are thousands of men out there teaching exactly what this woman said. I find it amazing that you would blame the fact that she would say something like this on her being a woman. Did you ever think where did she get her teaching from, more than likely A MAN....
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Originally Posted by jennistout
Too bad there are thousands of men out there teaching exactly what this woman said. I find it amazing that you would blame the fact that she would say something like this on her being a woman. Did you ever think where did she get her teaching from, more than likely A MAN....
You know, I was going to respond to his (I'm assuming it's a him) statement too, but I had to stop seeing red first. Thanks Jenni!

I also wanted to add that possibly, just quite possibly, there wouldn't be a need for women to teach if most men were taking up the reins of responsibility and leadership as they ought to. ..just a thought...not saying that I agree, but just a thought. Afterall, Deborah was a judge in Israel too.
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Originally Posted by PraiseJesusAlways
Hello & God Bless You ! I am a 17 year old girl, and I have been Christian since I was little. Recently I've been going to a Pentecostal church and today (Sunday) they split up the children, the youth and the adults in three seperate groups for sunday school as usual. The church pastor was leading the discussion because she also pastors the youth group and she said that "whenever we sin God turns His back on us because He can not see sin therefore he leaves us". And I disagreed with that because what I read in the word of God is that he will never leave us or forsake us. I told her that if Jesus had not died for us, then God would have to turn His back on us whenever we sin, but since Jesus did die for us God sees us cleansed through the Blood of Jesus. (I think she was trying to scare us away from sinning by saying that "whenever we do sin, even by circumstances/by-mistake God will turn His back on us and leave us " but I believe we should obey God and try to please Him out of our love for Him, not only because we love Him but because He loved us first, Not out of fear, because love out of fear is not perfected love as it says in Romans 8:15) I also told her that by saying that God leaves every single time we sin that we are diminishing God because he is always faithful. She (the youth pastor) was kind of mean and very defensive, she rolled her eyes and told me that I was not going to change her beliefs (& I wasn't trying to, all I was saying was what God was putting in my heart) and she was acting like I was trying to brainwash everyone in the youth group or something. This was very saddening to me, I felt as If I was being persecuted or something :0( Please reply back to my post and let me know your opinion on this. Thank You & God Bless You :0)
God bless you,
You make me glad when I read that you beleave we should worship God because he loves us and is the Father. That is the reason we shouldn't sin. We should never do anything that would displease our God. But like others have mentioned here, we are not perfect. We are allowed grace and forgivness through the blood of Christ. There are more than a few who teach fire and brimstone trying to keep the flock from going astray. Fear of hell is not a good reason to worship God. No, God would never leave you. You are one of his children. His love for you is boundless and unconditional. A lot of times people will take a position on this or that. When confronted with the truth some of them will defend their position even when they know it is not right. Some people resist saying they were wrong. Pray for this person and love them as you are commanded to by God the Father.
Matthew 22

36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"

37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'

38This is the first and greatest commandment.

39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Also remember what else Jesus said:

Luke 6
27"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
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Originally Posted by KayD
You know, I was going to respond to his (I'm assuming it's a him) statement too, but I had to stop seeing red first. Thanks Jenni!

I also wanted to add that possibly, just quite possibly, there wouldn't be a need for women to teach if most men were taking up the reins of responsibility and leadership as they ought to. ..just a thought...not saying that I agree, but just a thought. Afterall, Deborah was a judge in Israel too.
I'm glad someone else agrees with me. I think it's pretty ignorant to believe that women should not be teaching at all.
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