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*Russian evolutionist A. I. Oparin said "unfortunately the form of the cell is the darkest part of the theory evolution".(origin of life, page 196)
* President of Biyochemistry Institute in Johannes Gutenburg University Prof. Dr. Klaus Dose said
"In spite of the consistent efforts, there have been no invention that could explain the formation of the living cells".
(Klaus Dose, "The Origin Of Life: More Questions Than Answers", Interdisciplinary Science Reviews, page 352)
the cell is a miracle itself...not just as simple as you name it...jeky said
*Russian evolutionist A. I. Oparin said "unfortunately the form of the cell is the darkest part of the theory evolution".(origin of life, page 196)
* President of Biyochemistry Institute in Johannes Gutenburg University Prof. Dr. Klaus Dose said
"In spite of the consistent efforts, there have been no invention that could explain the formation of the living cells".
Not sure what is your problem. Evolutionists admit they how problems understanding how the cell works. Maybe creationists could learn something there
The way science works is not to always have a ready-made theory of everything, occasionally some scientific projects take very long time, even possibly infinite time.
There's no problem in that. Science is open-ended.
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Like icy shards from the broken mirror within
Melting in the tears from the stars in your eyes
Shining still fainter, still brighter through the darkness
The formation of god is in turn your weakest point and darkest hour.
When we say we don't know how the first cell "became alive" you just
read a good ol' pulp fiction book and claim "god always existed and did
everything so there". At least some people can be honest and say they
don't know. Not that I have problems with a god concept, but it has
ZERO scientific credibility so far. None.
__________________ I bet it's like necessary to have popes and anti popes cancel each other out to keep the universe from imploding. Sort of like the Jedi and the sith. A huge special effects fight occurs if these two were to meet, with the anti pope going postal all over the place with lightning coming out of his fingers and stuff. If you hear the pope mutter something about a "great disturbance in the catholic faith" you can bet it's that anti pope at it again! (Some of the great ancient wisdom of vipertaja)
Yet another drive by eh? 17 posts here, 17 drive by creationist rants, total impact on evolution to date: zero.
Yawn.
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Not sure what is your problem. Evolutionists admit they how problems understanding how the cell works. Maybe creationists could learn something there
The way science works is not to always have a ready-made theory of everything, occasionally some scientific projects take very long time, even possibly infinite time.
There's no problem in that. Science is open-ended.
cheers
- FreezBee
The 'way science works' depends on whether you are a Christian or an athiest. If you are an athiest, you must come up with an explanation, regardless of how improbable it seems, for the origin of the cell without reference to God. The Christian does not have these philosophical constraints. If the cell appears to be the work of an omniscient Creator, he is free to accept this. As he learns more about the complexity of the cell his heart sings with praise and adoration. Gaining new insights into the wonder of God's handiwork is a powerful motivation for the Christian researcher.
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And Micaiah said, "As the LORD lives, whatever the LORD says to me, that I will speak." (1 Kings 22:14)
The 'way science works' depends on whether you are a Christian or an athiest. If you are an athiest, you must come up with an explanation, regardless of how improbable it seems, for the origin of the cell without reference to God. The Christian does not have these philosophical constraints. If the cell appears to be the work of an omniscient Creator, he is free to accept this. As he learns more about the complexity of the cell his heart sings with praise and adoration. Gaining new insights into the wonder of God's handiwork is a powerful motivation for the Christian researcher.
Bull...poop.
So atheists have to use science for science, but christians are allowed to use philosophy to "prove" things "scientifically"?
__________________ I bet it's like necessary to have popes and anti popes cancel each other out to keep the universe from imploding. Sort of like the Jedi and the sith. A huge special effects fight occurs if these two were to meet, with the anti pope going postal all over the place with lightning coming out of his fingers and stuff. If you hear the pope mutter something about a "great disturbance in the catholic faith" you can bet it's that anti pope at it again! (Some of the great ancient wisdom of vipertaja)
The 'way science works' depends on whether you are a Christian or an athiest. If you are an athiest, you must come up with an explanation, regardless of how improbable it seems, for the origin of the cell without reference to God. The Christian does not have these philosophical constraints. If the cell appears to be the work of an omniscient Creator, he is free to accept this. As he learns more about the complexity of the cell his heart sings with praise and adoration. Gaining new insights into the wonder of God's handiwork is a powerful motivation for the Christian researcher.
And yet a huge majority scientists from all faiths come to the same conclusion that evolution is the best explanation for the diversity of life on earth.
Telling, isn't it.
Even Christian biologists accept evolution overwhelmingly and it is taught in Christian universities as the best scientific explanation out there.
Why is that?
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The 'way science works' depends on whether you are a Christian or an athiest. If you are an athiest, you must come up with an explanation, regardless of how improbable it seems, for the origin of the cell without reference to God. The Christian does not have these philosophical constraints. If the cell appears to be the work of an omniscient Creator, he is free to accept this. As he learns more about the complexity of the cell his heart sings with praise and adoration. Gaining new insights into the wonder of God's handiwork is a powerful motivation for the Christian researcher.
You have a very skewed take on things Micaiah. I see these kind of statements a lot and I think it’s pretty dishonest. You purposefully phrase your post to imply that a-theists are anti-theists. Then you imply that positing god as a cause is scientific. Both implications are horrifically wrong. There is only one kind of science. Science is atheistic because science deals with actual evidence. Since theistic “theories” involve the un-testable, un-evidenced supernatural then it is not, and never can be, science. Just because science can not use supernatural explanations does not mean it’s anti-theistic. I am always in disbelief over how many people don’t get this simple fact.
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And yet a huge majority scientists from all faiths come to the same conclusion that evolution is the best explanation for the diversity of life on earth.
Telling, isn't it.
I may believe this has some relevance to the topic in question, and some credibility, if you can provide statistics that demonstrate most scientists
- Have a good grasp of the intricate workings of the cell
- Can provide a scientific explanation of how the first originated
- Believe that this was actually how the cell originated
Till then, we must dismiss this as yet another rant from a TE stooge.
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And Micaiah said, "As the LORD lives, whatever the LORD says to me, that I will speak." (1 Kings 22:14)
I think your side in turn must fill these requirements then.
- Have a good grasp of the intricate workings of god
- Can provide a scientific explanation of how the first god originated
- Believe that this was actually how the god originated
Good luck with that.
Till then, we must dismiss this as yet another rant from a creationist/ID
stooge. After all, the playing field has to be level and fair, no?
__________________ I bet it's like necessary to have popes and anti popes cancel each other out to keep the universe from imploding. Sort of like the Jedi and the sith. A huge special effects fight occurs if these two were to meet, with the anti pope going postal all over the place with lightning coming out of his fingers and stuff. If you hear the pope mutter something about a "great disturbance in the catholic faith" you can bet it's that anti pope at it again! (Some of the great ancient wisdom of vipertaja)
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