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So describe cellular evolution from bacteria for us.
Describe the Design process for us. Please give us the methods used, the mechanisms used, and the time frame, all with evidence to back it up.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
Describe the Design process for us. Please give us the methods used, the mechanisms used, and the time frame, all with evidence to back it up.
The topic is on evolutionist's confessions about living cells. Obviously you have no knowledge to confess about the origin of cells, especially human ones like mine.
[quote=Loudmouth]Describe the Design process for us. [quote]
Step one: Intelligent person views circumstance with objectivity.
Step two: Determines desired outcome.
Step three: Plans means of achieving outcome (fit form and function).
Step four: Puts plan into action.
Step five: Observes results.
Step six: Resolves any difficulties with corrective action.
Joman.
Evidence: Feedback systems for continuous process control.
The topic is on evolutionist's confessions about living cells. Obviously you have no knowledge to confess about the origin of cells, especially human ones like mine.
If you know who your mother and father are, it shouldn't be a problem explaining where your cells come from.
The ORIGNAL cell, I have no idea. However, I see no reason to call in the "Deity Super Power Team" to solve the problem. Every cell we see in today's world is the product of 3.5 billion years of evolution. It is not stunning that every cell we see today is complex.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
Step one: Intelligent person views circumstance with objectivity.
What intelligence? Please provide objective evidence which demonstrates the existence of this intelligence and evidence of what the intelligence used as objective criteria.
Step two: Determines desired outcome.
Same thing as Step One.
Step three: Plans means of achieving outcome (fit form and function).
And those means are . . .?
Step four: Puts plan into action.
How are those plans put into action?
Step five: Observes results.
Observes results of all designs, some designs, what exactly?
Step six: Resolves any difficulties with corrective action.
Does "resolve any difficulties" involve a 5 mile diameter meteor landing off the coast of present day Mexico?
Evidence: Feedback systems for continuous process control.
Any imperfect replicator will be subject to such a process, no Designer needed.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
If you know who your mother and father are, it shouldn't be a problem explaining where your cells come from.
It's not a problem for me since I know where my parent's intelligently designed cells came from. Where did your parent's cells come from?
The ORIGNAL cell, I have no idea. However, I see no reason to call in the "Deity Super Power Team" to solve the problem. Every cell we see in today's world is the product of 3.5 billion years of evolution. It is not stunning that every cell we see today is complex.
What is "stunning" is your observation of 3.5 billion years of cell evolution.
It's not a problem for me since I know where my parent's intelligently designed cells came from. Where did your parent's cells come from?
Parents . . . children. Why not call them all Humans? Why do you discriminate by age?
My parents came from their parents. It's parents all of the way down to the first life. I have no idea what that first life looked like or how it replicated. What I do know is that rock dated to 3.5 billion years ago had single celled life in it. What I do know is that we have a history of life preserved in the rocks and in the genomes of living species that evidences evolution. Could I be wrong? Of course I can be, I have never claimed infallibility (unlike some authors).
What is "stunning" is your observation of 3.5 billion years of cell evolution.
I believe "stunning" is the word used by the Inquisition when discussing Galileo's heresy of the Earth moving about the Sun. Nice to see times haven't changed.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
Parents . . . children. Why not call them all Humans?
All parents of children are Human.
My parents came from their parents. It's parents all of the way down to the first life. I have no idea what that first life looked like or how it replicated.
Now you are confusing your Human parentage with non-human forms of life.
What I do know is that rock dated to 3.5 billion years ago had single celled life in it.
You don't "know" that. You just blindly accept and believe in that theory.
What I do know is that we have a history of life preserved in the rocks and in the genomes of living species that evidences evolution.
Again, that's not knowledge. It's science fiction.
I believe "stunning" is the word used by the Inquisition when discussing Galileo's heresy of the Earth moving about the Sun. Nice to see times haven't changed.
No, times haven't changed much since you re-introduced the word "stunning" in your post #35.
They are all primates as well. They are also mammals, vertebrates, metazoans, coelomates, and eukaryotes.
Loudmouth: What I do know is that rock dated to 3.5 billion years ago had single celled life in it.
John Crawford: You don't "know" that. You just blindly accept and believe in that theory.
Do you have a better way of objectively dating rocks? If so, I would like to see it. It's a fact that those rocks have been dated, using radiometric methodologies, to approx. 3.5 billion years before present. You can disagree, but I doubt you have any scientific objections. Before we start throwing around "blind acceptance", perhaps you should tell me the reasons you have for throwing out radiometric dating.
Loudmouth: What I do know is that we have a history of life preserved in the rocks and in the genomes of living species that evidences evolution.
John Crawford: Again, that's not knowledge. It's science fiction.
So the DNA of living species and the fossils found in the ground are science fiction? These real life objects and chemicals do evidence evolution, as 99.9% of biologists will tell you. You can argue that evolution did not occur, but this does not make the evidence disappear.
__________________ "Since YAC [Young-Age Creation] epistemology accepts Biblical claims over physical evidence and human reason, logical or evidential arguments for evolution and/or against YAC are likely to be ineffective in converting most YACists."--Kurt Wise
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