Pastors that abuse their authority.

SistrNChrist · #**111** 19th June 2009, 08:26 PM

I do believe that there are churches out there that do preach the true Gospel, because I am a member of a church that operates on a system where the pastors are accountable to other pastors as well as the elders of our church. In fact, there have been times where our pastor has said that she loves it when people have questions about her sermons because it shows that they're reading their Bibles and not just operating on blind obedience to the pastors.

ffinder · #**112** 19th July 2009, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by SistrNChrist

..true Gospel, because I am a member of a church that operates on a system where the pastors are accountable to other pastors as well as the elders of our church..

Is that system a pyramid system? or a Bible based system.

A pyramid system is when the elders are accountable to the pastors and the pastors are accountable to the senior pastor and not the other way around! (i.e. a pastor is not accountable to an elder but the elder is accountable to the pastor) trouble is the senior pastor is accountable to no one!

A Bible based system is when the pastor is accountable to the least significant beleiver. I always say that i will submit to the pastor that submits to me. "Yes, all of you be subject one to another" 1Pet5:5

FF

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Episaw · #**114** 27th November 2010, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Johnnz

The problem with 'the pastor' is that the NT does not teach a pyramdial structure headed by one man. That is something that has been imposed by church leaders over the centuries.

Nowhere in the NT will you find a job description of the modern pastor. Whether he is a good or bad pastor, the reality is he just should not be there in the way that role is performed today.

I believe that this is one reason why revival cannot come. We need new wineskins for new wine. I am very happy to be experimenting with what I believe is something that could facilitate revival.

John
NZ

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

Episaw · #**115** 27th November 2010, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by lismore

Hello

I dont have the mindset anymore 'to find a church' as in a building or denomination. The same abuses, to a greater or lesser extent, are widespread in the institutional setting.

The church is where two or more believers meet together in Jesus name. The church follows me, because the 'Kingdom of God is within you'.

God Bless You.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VERY TRUE!!!!

Episaw · #**116** 27th November 2010, 10:16 PM

[quote=mont974x4;48118895]Me too.

We must be careful we are not disobedient by forsaking the assembly. I fully recognize that we are the Church, and we can "have church" anywhere. Heck, I usually have a small service when camping and on hunting trips. However, we are social creatures and we need one another. The body is made of different parts in order to meet different needs. What would happen if I, as a foot, only hung out with the toes on one foot? I would miss out on a real chance to bless others and be a blessed by others.

The assembling together in the Greek is assembling in homes. Those who assemble in public buildings are not assembling together. You will note that the scriptures do not make any mention of the Sunday morning meeting.

Episaw · #**117** 27th November 2010, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by pastortimothy

Spiritual abuse, and it's many permutations, has been a problem throughout the history of the church. And while abuse can happen in any church, in any setting, the most prolific and common type of abuse, today, is chiefly the brand of abuse that has, in one way or another, stemmed from the megachurch movements of the last couple of decades. Regardless of the flavor of the oppression, spiritual abuse always leaves the victim wounded and lost.

In addition, there are those bogus leaders who are more concerned what the denomination says and pleasing them rather than follow the teaching of scripture and the voice of the Lord.

Episaw · #**118** 27th November 2010, 11:13 PM

We just have to keep praying for the Lord to help us find a place around other like believers. God Bless You all!

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Andrew12 · #**119** 27th November 2010, 11:31 PM

a good pastor is like a Shepherd, he gently guides his sheep and tries to find them good grass to eat and cool sweet water to drink. He also does his best to protect them from predators. but He is also a servant to the church.

Jamey · #**120** 28th November 2010, 09:50 AM

I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if this is subject has been gone over already.
Abusive people can also be found in the biblical church movement also. Where you have people you have sinners and being abusive is a sin like anything else. It is based on pride. What we have to do is continue in the Word and let it guide us in those areas. I will say that in the IC you will find a better chance for abusive leaders because of the un-biblical structure that fosters such pride. Just be on the look out for them and becareful.
J.