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dumb question. hypothetical guestion like this are useless.
Why is a hypothetical question useless? Especially if a view point cannot be proven with 100% certainty, what is wrong with considering other possibilities. I'm not suggesting you change your viewpoint, just think about other possibilities.
Originally Posted by MartinM
It's barely hypothetical in any case.
Perhaps, but from the viewpoint of a creationist it certainly is
Originally Posted by Loudmouth
Let's not be too hasty. Without looking back, there were some very similar answers to the question "What if we found the ark." A little give an take might be helpful.
The problem is that nothing will ever be accepted as "proof" by creationists. If the strong concordance between radiometric dating methodologies is ignored by creationists, then I really can't see a way for the two camps to convince one another. Morton's Demon is simply too strong for some to overcome.
At the same time, it would only be fair for a creationist to answer back "If we found parts of the Death Star . . ."
Hmm, haven't been able to find that thread. I think you bring up a could point Loudmouth. I suppose it is difficult for either side to believe the other one could be correct. It's most likely an individual would be highly skeptical of anything that said the other side was correct.
Originally Posted by Grengor
No, science is agnostic to religion, or to God. Though certain religious beliefs can be disproven, none can be proven. Science doesn't reject, it just doesn't resort. Why is it so many people doni't grasp that?
Well said
Originally Posted by Oncedeceived
This is the whole problem with the evolution vs. Creationist argument. Evolution as defined is in evidence, but evolution as predominently presented by evo's and Creationists alike broadens the meaning into something that is not necessarily "evolution".
Oncedeceived, would you mind elaborating on what you said here? Are you referring to macro and micro evolution?
Originally Posted by Oncedeceived
I for one (Creationist) have no problem with the evolutionary processes that have been shown to be present and it in no way affects my knowledge of God. In fact it rather helps define the Creation process.
Interesting idea, but I'm a bit curious; What do you mean by evolutionary processes help define the Creation process?
Oncedeceived, would you mind elaborating on what you said here? Are you referring to macro and micro evolution?
I am defining evolution as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next. (as defined by Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989 Worth Publishers, p.974)
Interesting idea, but I'm a bit curious; What do you mean by evolutionary processes help define the Creation process?
We as human beings study and research data of the earth and the organisms therein; as such we look back to see how life progressed and try to determine how the progression occurred. Those processes we have chosen to call evolution. Evolution is only a term, it is a definition of processes that have occurred. Evolution is not anti-God as a process it is only when evolution is considered in an atheistic way that it challenges religion in any way.
I'm just wanted to ask this hypothetical question. If evolution was proven true (to your satisfaction) and there was absolutely no disagreement among religous leaders, scientists, and others that evolution took place over millions of years would that change your view of god? Would you lose faith? Would you still believe in god? What else would change for you?
I would still believe in God. The naturalist explanations of infinite time or acausality are still illogical. I just wouldn't believe the Bible anymore. I noticed you said this would indicate weak faith, but I think you are using a secular definition of faith. The Bible tells us to test all things to see if they are true. Blind faith has no place in christianity.
Just thought that I would respond to your post....so perhaps others would find some more to talk about.....
In my opinion, if evolution was proven to be true, then that means that the Bible is false. Well, that there are mistakes in the Bible. If there are mistakes in the Bible then God is not all powerful because it was through Him that the Bible was made. I think that if evolution was proven true then there would be no all powerful God. Although I don't know for sure because believing in God is based on faith. But creationism is a big part of believing in the true God as I see it.
Are you sure you worship God? It seems to me that you worship the Bible.
my view would remain the same, it doesn't matter in what form we were created it is how we reflect on ourselves and what we (as a global society) have done that is really to make a difference.
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