Sex & Contraception & Abortion

Nightfire · #41 7th October 2005, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by repentant

If you read the book of Genesis, the only time god mentions sexual relations, is when He tells Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. No other mentioning of sex is there. So based on this, with that statement, you could see what God gave us sex for.

The command to be fruitful and multiply is only incidentally about sex. You can have sex for pleasure and still obey that command. One does not exclude the other.

Contraception is unatural. When you use contraception, you are having sex for pleasures sake. Which in the quote I posted earlier is idolatry.

When you use contraception, you are consummating your relationship with a person with the knowledge that it probably won't lead to conception. That's exactly how natural family planning also works. The act, the love, the desire, all are the same - the only difference is knowledge. You claim that only if we do not know whether we will conceive, we're within God's will. That's like saying God only works when we're not looking, that He's the God of chance. That if we take control over something, we take it away from God. How is that possible?

There is a difference between health medicines and birth control. 99.9% of medicines are natural, in other words taken from the earth. So God gave us these medicines, and he also gave us the intelligance to find them, and figure out there uses for keeping us from sickness. Birth control is much different. It causes an unatural occurence to happen in your body (prevention of egg, prevention of period, and prevention of any chance for pregnancy). When you take meds. let's say for a cold, all you are doing is returning your body to it's natural state, not causing it to go to an unatural state.

There is a difference.

Everything man-made is taken from the earth. Humans cannot create, so we can only use the resources that are available to us in God's creation. Something is unnatural because of the way it is used (abused), not because it comes from outside of nature. The ingredients of pills used to prevent headaches are no more natural or unnatural than the ingredients in pills used to prevent conception.

Or to use your other argument, a woman's "natural state" is not pregnancy. When she prevents pregnancy, she is also just trying to maintain a normal state of functioning. Contraceptive pills don't prevent a period, they force the body to continue its natural cycle, allowing a woman to plan her menstruation. "The birth control pill regulates hormones that your ovaries are already producing." (Mayoclinic.com).

Live2Worship · #42 7th October 2005, 09:55 AM

You probably won't find reference to waiting until marriage for sex because in OT times once you had sex you WERE married!

Nightfire · #43 7th October 2005, 10:35 AM

Good point

Analog · #44 7th October 2005, 11:04 AM

You probably won't find reference to waiting until marriage for sex because in OT times once you had sex you WERE married

Okay, um worried now

. Does that mean I'm married to the first person I had sex with ?

And for every person after that is that adulty ?

dvd_holc · #45 7th October 2005, 11:18 AM

No, you aren't married to that first and subsequent people. Though when you see it written in the OT you now understand that is the importance of it. Sex is a serious thing between a man and wife. It is not for othersto participate in. It is believe that when the two come together that their entire being (spiritual and physical) is united. This kind of union is not something should be taken lightly. It should be a total of devotion and pure love toward the other. I hope that you will begin to understand your body is very precious and this kind of joining should be take with the up most importance.

Analog · #46 7th October 2005, 12:10 PM

No, you aren't married to that first and subsequent people. Though when you see it written in the OT you now understand that is the importance of it

That seems rather contradictory but. If it were written in the OT that sex = marriage, then I must some how be married, unless that part of the OT whose interpertation got modified. Can you show me the bits of the bible that say sex == marriage or some historical evidence that shows sex equaled marriage in the OT times ?

dvd_holc · #47 7th October 2005, 12:21 PM

Here is the good news. You have sinned and now you are forgiven. Though you did not know what you did, God has given you grace. Don't go back to the first as a form of legal obligation to him because you had sex. Instead, don't have sex again until you are married for that is good. Further, be devoted to the person you marry.

deskjockey · #48 7th October 2005, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by dvd_holc

No, you aren't married to that first and subsequent people. Though when you see it written in the OT you now understand that is the importance of it. Sex is a serious thing between a man and wife. It is not for othersto participate in. It is believe that when the two come together that their entire being (spiritual and physical) is united. This kind of union is not something should be taken lightly. It should be a total of devotion and pure love toward the other. I hope that you will begin to understand your body is very precious and this kind of joining should be take with the up most importance.

Umm... Yes you are, don't you remember when Jesus met the woman by the well? He asked her, "where is your husband?" and she replied that she did not have one, ring a bell yet? Christ said she'd had 5 husbands. When a man and woman come together in sex they are one flesh, when a husband and wife come togeher they are one flesh. When they are no longer together there is a ripping of flesh.

Not trying to be arguementative but there was more to marriage than just sex, that's it. When Joseph took Mary unto him as his wife and she was pregnant with Jesus, he did not KNOW HER untill after he was born. So there was an engagement process, a marriage, it was highly planned for the Jews.

deskjockey · #49 7th October 2005, 02:13 PM

Answers to some of Analogs questions on page 3

It is a sin to enjoy sex ???

I said NO about 5 times, sex should be enjoyed in a marriage, where are you getting this from?

Futhermore if you abstain from sex in marraige is it not a true and holy marriage ?

No, the bible says not to absatin from sex because temptation enters in.

Um...ouch ! Why would a loving heavenly father expect women to try and have children knowing they will die quite painfully in childbirth.

the pain of childbirth is in genesis after Eve eats the fruit.

hmm, missed that one. Where does it say that in the bible ?

Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

dvd_holc · #50 7th October 2005, 02:21 PM

"Not trying to be arguementative but there was more to marriage than just sex, "

I hope I have not suggested that all there is to a marriage is sex. Being married I know that is more than sex. So, I support that there is more to marriage than sex. Though it is impossible to track back each and every sin because we don't even know so many of them. Still, God has given us grace so that we does not count them against us. We are by faith God's bride.