| Creation & Evolution Forum for the discussion of this important topic. This forum is open to non-believers. There is a Christians-only forum in the Christians-only section too. |  | | 
1st September 2002, 04:08 AM
|  | a long journey ahead 29  | | Join Date: 30th January 2002 Location: Australia
Posts: 13,934
Blessings: 117,397
Reps: 1,971,904 (power: 1,995) | | | Maths? i was listening to a tape when the speaker brought up a point, in biology, it "proves" that living organisms evolved from simple cells, but biology, doesn't explain how mathematic principles are evolved. Humans only discover these principles.
Isn't universe a great mystery? wouldn't there be someone behind, that designs it all? whoever heard of the changing law of nature, um, unless we're talking about the changing speed of light, but that also was just a discovery on our errors.
__________________ "Rich? More like mired in minutiae ..... In this case it was an indolence characterised by a pursuit of knowledge, a frenzied search for answers to everything, no matter the value of such answers. A civilisation can as easily drown in what it knows as in what it doesn't know."
- Deadhouse Gates by Steven Erikson | 
1st September 2002, 04:12 AM
|  | 退屈させた1 つ (bored one) 28  | | Join Date: 16th February 2002 Location: El Cajon, California, USA
Posts: 11,305
Blessings: 94,499
Reps: 1,439 (power: 22) | | ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Ah, that was a good post. I just feel sleepy all of a sudden LOL
__________________ You wouldn't throw away a gold coin-why then would you throw away a life, which is infinitely more precious than gold? We as Christians are ambassadors for God, not vigilantes for Him. I speak the truth and have no regrets. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. | 
1st September 2002, 04:40 AM
| | Senior Member
 | | Join Date: 5th August 2002
Posts: 712
Blessings: 90,971
Reps: 833 (power: 0) | | | Mathrmatic principles donīt evolve. They are the same since the beginning of human thought.
There are five mathematical axioms, based on that, the operations were construed.
Mathematic does not change, it just grows as people discover new ways to solve things. For mathematic to change, you have to change one of the five beginning axioms.
__________________ Thirteen, Three and One. The numbers always matter. Many are not what they seem. The answer is in the future. The answer is in the past. The children play the game. The rules are in no order. The numbers always matter. [size=4] | 
1st September 2002, 05:05 AM
| | Stop the suffering in Iraq
 | | Join Date: 11th March 2002
Posts: 4,504
Blessings: 91,129
Reps: 9 (power: 0) | | | And the five "axioms" started how?
__________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. | 
1st September 2002, 05:09 AM
| | Regular Member 31  | | Join Date: 21st March 2002
Posts: 308
Blessings: 91,373
Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Axioms are taken to be true and cannot be proven. By denying one axiom or another, one can explore some extremely interesting geometries! | 
1st September 2002, 05:18 AM
| | Senior Member
 | | Join Date: 5th August 2002
Posts: 712
Blessings: 90,971
Reps: 833 (power: 0) | | | They started through common sense.
Axiom of Addition, Multiplikation and the ones concerning the "real numbers."
You can change mathematics only, if you overturn the rules for addition and multiplikation.
__________________ Thirteen, Three and One. The numbers always matter. Many are not what they seem. The answer is in the future. The answer is in the past. The children play the game. The rules are in no order. The numbers always matter. [size=4] | 
1st September 2002, 05:34 AM
| | Stop the suffering in Iraq
 | | Join Date: 11th March 2002
Posts: 4,504
Blessings: 91,129
Reps: 9 (power: 0) | | | And these rules started how, and whom initiated said rules?
__________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. | 
1st September 2002, 05:42 AM
| | Senior Member
 | | Join Date: 5th August 2002
Posts: 712
Blessings: 90,971
Reps: 833 (power: 0) | | | This is the rules we all agree upon, I donīt know when they were formalized.
Either you deny, that a+b equals b+a or you accept it. Aceept it and you canīt change addition.
Same goes for multiplikation.
The rules concerning the "real numbers" are the same. "Real numbers" have no misses, between every two numbers there exists a number.
Accepting this and you get the mathematics nowadays.
__________________ Thirteen, Three and One. The numbers always matter. Many are not what they seem. The answer is in the future. The answer is in the past. The children play the game. The rules are in no order. The numbers always matter. [size=4] | 
1st September 2002, 05:49 AM
| | Stop the suffering in Iraq
 | | Join Date: 11th March 2002
Posts: 4,504
Blessings: 91,129
Reps: 9 (power: 0) | | | And these rules and numbers exist, and work, why?
__________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. | 
1st September 2002, 07:23 AM
| | Senior Member
 | | Join Date: 5th August 2002
Posts: 712
Blessings: 90,971
Reps: 833 (power: 0) | | | Well why does addition work the way it does?
Why does multiplikation work the way it does? Because we all agreed upon this.
Furthermore you will have to prove, that a+b=b+a is not true.
Why do numbers exist? Perhaps to count something?
This gets really ridiculous you know.
__________________ Thirteen, Three and One. The numbers always matter. Many are not what they seem. The answer is in the future. The answer is in the past. The children play the game. The rules are in no order. The numbers always matter. [size=4] |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |