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12th October 2005, 05:54 PM
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Reps: 604,418,086,506,083,840 (power: 604,418,086,506,099) | | Originally Posted by kingisjesus If you do not see that Torah was followed and now we are to live in the Spirit, ...
The Torah itself states that it was for the Israelites who were led out of Egypt . From that time on , it was never for the Gentiles . During that time , it was the still the same as it always was ... living by the Spirit - as did Abraham . And , the Torah was about faith and repentance - same as now - no difference .
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... then don't argue with me because you need to consult God by reading the scriptures.
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That is going back to the law . Why the switch ? We are now in the age of Jesus Christ revealed.
How does that make for a different dispensation ?
Before Abraham , it was about faith .
When Abraham was , it was about faith .
After Abraham and before the law , it was about faith .
After the law , it was about faith .
After Christ's birth , it was about faith .
It was always about faith - not the law ( ie the Scriptures ) . |
13th October 2005, 02:42 AM
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Reps: 4,583,915,400,580 (power: 4,583,915,410) | | Originally Posted by kingisjesus I THINK YOU ARE PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH BECAUSE YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO HEARING CERTIN BELIEFS CONCERNING DISPENSATIONIALISM.
do not get side tracked into so many other topics.
Dude,u were using a word that traditionally only has the interpretation I gave it!
I asked u to clarify,u did! TY.
I totally see Wino'spoint here though, God has not changed.God has always been spirit,revealedand such and related to as such. OT shows God conceeding to humans inabilityto grasp this and so lets them use sacfices and law.
So I guess I a sense,u r both right!
Essentially it doesn't matter what u believe about the Torahbecause u r both saying that it is HolySpirit that is important here and now! And that is something some Christian's have a real problem with in CF - I have discovered!
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17th October 2005, 02:55 PM
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The only thing God has done to lead me to his love and grace is soften my heart and lead me into the situation for me to hear the good news of Jesus. I then believed the good news, and God had mercy on me be cleansing me by the blood of Jesus Christ. I have now the power to follow the holiness of Jesus Christ. |
15th November 2005, 04:08 PM
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Reps: 2,766 (power: 9) | | | To get back to predestination for a second,Is it not possible 1)that God can foreknow all things and still allow a free choice for us?That His knowing what the outcomes of all things may be does not effect the mechanics of things which we manopulate ourselves.?2)That we are all drawn to Him but not all simultaeously can recieve His grace as they are developing all individually.That is the magnetism of Gods Love is a constant,as was the love of the father of the lost son in the bible,But it takes each sparate lost son his own time when he gets to a point so humilified that he can come to Jesus for salvation.3)That is why we have to proslatize and preach the gospel gently firmly ferverently constant ly so that not one sheep be lost to the Father.That the work of the Father is our work too and we are in christ as christ is in us and He was the proslytizer we are to somehow try to follow all the days of our lives in such a way as to multiply that drawing of the HOLY SPIRIT through our actions and our thoughts and our prayers like a reflection of the true light which shone for us on calvary..That regardless of his knowing we are the ones through which the power of Gods love works as well.When we are baptised we become true sons and daughters of God as Jesus is and we are promised the promise of the Holy Spirit to be our journeys companion and guide from that point on as we live by our faith.To be guided and directed By the Father as in not my will but thy will...That all that were called will be saved>  |
15th November 2005, 07:21 PM
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Reps: 43 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by New_Wineskin I agree , I don't see a problem with predestination and foreknowledge while free-will existing .
I second that.
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The only thing God has done to lead me to his love and grace is soften my heart and lead me into the situation for me to hear the good news of Jesus. I then believed the good news, and God had mercy on me be cleansing me by the blood of Jesus Christ. I have now the power to follow the holiness of Jesus Christ. | | |
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