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View Poll Results: What is your view of contraception? | |
Nothing wrong, completely morally acceptable
|    | 3 | 13.64% | |
Only wrong if use brings about an abortion (The pill, etc...)
|    | 6 | 27.27% | |
Right if the couple has financial difficulties/emotional problems/etc...
|    | 1 | 4.55% | |
Morally wrong in all circumstances
|    | 9 | 40.91% | |
Other (Please post below)
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13th August 2002, 04:28 PM
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Reps: 1,465 (power: 14) | | | Contraception, right or wrong???? I was just curious what the view of contraception is from the non-catholic, non-orthodox point of view. This thread is not really intended for debate, I'm just wondering what your opinion was on this issue.
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13th August 2002, 06:04 PM
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Reps: 340,646,893,346,033,024 (power: 340,646,893,346,059) | | | I don't think your going to have much success relating "taking the pill" to something that "brings about an abortion" even if you believe they are scientifically the same thing. With that in mind I will refrain from voting or offering futher opinion.
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13th August 2002, 06:37 PM
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14th August 2002, 01:29 AM
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14th August 2002, 01:38 AM
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14th August 2002, 07:48 AM
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Reps: 22 (power: 0) | | | I know you said that you didn't open this thread for a debate, but I simply have to say the following rant:
The ONLY circumstance that I can see any form of contraception as being OK in is an instance where the contraceptive is not being used as a contraceptive. For instance, the Pill is often perscribed to women with Endometriosis. I would prefer that doctors embrace other means of caring for women in this situation, and if they do not seek other means, but simply perscribe the Pill out of personal convienece, I would find another doctor.
The principal, biblical reason for marriage is the begetting of Children. Of course, in our day, those couples who are unable to concieve can (and should!) adopt.
While sex is a good thing, and is a act in which a husband and wife are to be joyful in. . . sex divorced from it's principal God-given intent is sinful and wrong.
I can understand the reasons that couples decide to use contraception, I mean, I'm broke too! However, the simple fact of the matter is that Chemical Birth Control methods are abortifacent in the way that they function, and that is absolutely immoral and sinful. To take a pill that works to either a) form a mucus plug over the cervix to prevent the sperm from entering the fallopian tubes or, if that fails to b) thin out the lining of the uterus so that implantation of the fertalised egg cannot occur is an abolutely horrendus thing. God will not lead you to take a pill or get an implant with this kind of effect.
I had a long conversation with my fiancee's physician about the issue. . . she was trying to convince my F that Chemical Birth Control was OK, and said there was no harmful side effects. She explained how the pill blocked the cervix, but neglected to explain about the uteral lining. . . I called her on it. She began to protest, so I pulled out the types and specifications report that I have access to since I work in a hospital. I slammed it down on the desk in front of her, showed it to her, and asked her how many people she had lied to. She finally said, "better for the baby to die when it's just at a hundred cells than to die when it actually looks like a baby."
My fiancee will NOT be going back to this doctor.
Moral? Learn the truth from MANY sources, and then confront your doctor about the real inner workings of birth control. It's an abortifacent, and if you know that is a possibility and you take it willfully, any abortion that occurs - intended or not - will be on your conscience.
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14th August 2002, 09:30 AM
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Reps: 224 (power: 0) | | | When you speak about the pill bringing about abortion, I would suppose you mean the "morning after" pill? | 
14th August 2002, 09:41 AM
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Reps: 16,995 (power: 45) | | | I think Christians owe it to their families and to the community NOT to have more children than they can reasonably care for. Thus, I think family planning is perfectly acceptable and even desirable.
However, any birth control measure that causes the death of a life once it is conceived is wrong. The time to choose is BEFORE conception, not after.
We plan to use natural family planning, because it seems like the healthiest method, and the best for bonding the family. The divorce rate among families that use NPF nationally is less than 10%, compared to 40-60% of non-NPF families.. Plus, neither the husband or the wife have to ingest chemicals that might make them sick or affect any unborn child accidentally conceived.
I know families that have used NPF for more than twenty years, no accidents!
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14th August 2002, 09:57 AM
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Reps: 373 (power: 0) | | To Suzie: When you speak about the pill bringing about abortion, I would suppose you mean the "morning after" pill?
No. When the "Birth Control Pill" was first introduced, it contained high levels of female hormones, and it actually STOPPED the woman from ovulating. However, the high levels of hormones caused all kinds of dangerous side effects, so the drug companies kept reducing the levels. As the birth control pill exists today, the hormone levels are such that ovulation still generally occurs, but the uterine lining is not receptive to implantation.
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14th August 2002, 10:13 AM
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Reps: 22 (power: 0) | | Originally posted by suzie When you speak about the pill bringing about abortion, I would suppose you mean the "morning after" pill?
No! The Morning After Pill essentially releases all kinds of hormones and chemicals into your body that serve to, frankly, fry the new life inside.
As VOW pointed out, the Birth Control Pill is believed by most women who are on it to stop ovulation. It does not always succeed. After all the side effects that VOW mentioned were discovered, they "engineered" the pill to stimulate the formation of a psudeo-natural cervical mucus buildup, which is supposed to prevent any sperm from passing the cervix and entering the uterus and the fallopian tubes.
The thing is, it's not always successful. When it's not, the sperm continues unabated to the fallopian tubes for conception. Some studies have linked the high number of tubal ligations to the Pill, and while I am not a doctor, I can tell you that most women I am called to minister to in that situation here at our hospital are users of some form of chemical BC.
If conception occurs, however, the BC Pill has yet another built-in weapon. The chemicals stimulate a high degree of resistance (chemical and other) in the uterine lining that make it difficult for a fertalized egg to implant, resulting in the abortion of the fetus.
Chemical Birth Control is a very disasterous part of the culture of death, and I pray that men and women of faith will reconsider their use of it.
Natural Family Planning is more effective, safer, has no side effects (except, perhaps a rather rampant sexual desire after abstaining for a week or so), and cannot have the first potential to abort a fetus. If a Christian cannot abstain, pray, and fast for a week (as Paul says is permitted) to plan their family size, then I would have to question the real motive behind having sex. . . love or lust.
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