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Old 29th August 2005, 03:02 AM
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I'm taking a philosophy class this semester, and our first day's homework assignment is to give our best answers to some basic philosophical questions. Since there are some interesting questions here, I thought I'd post them (along with my answers) and hear what everyone else has to say about them.

1. Is there anything you would willingly die for? What?

2. Do you believe there is a God? Why or why not?

3. Are human beings more significant than other animal life-forms? Plants? Why?

4. What is the most 'real' -- the chair you are sitting on, the molecules that make up the chair, the sensations and images you have of the chair as you are sitting on it, or something else? Why?

5. Suppose that your mind ('brain' if you wish) was successfully transplanted into a stranger's body. Who would you be? The stranger or yourself? How would you convince people that you really were you?

6. We have developed a machine, a box with some electrodes and a life-support system, which we call the "happiness box." If you get into the box, you will experience a powerfully pleasant sensation, which will continue indefinitely with just enough variation to keep you from getting too used to it. We invite you to try it. If you decide to do so, you can get out of the box any time you want to; but perhaps we should tell you that no one, once they have gotten into the happiness box, has ever wanted to get out of it. After ten hours or so, we hook up the life-support system, and people spend their lifetimes there. Of course, they never do anythign else, so their bodies tend to resemble half-filled waterbeds after a few years, because of the lack of exercise. But that never bothers them either. Now it's your decision: Would you like to step into the happiness box? Why or why not?

And now, my answers:

Originally Posted by Ledifni
(1) There are a great many things for which I would willingly risk death, but at this point in my life I cannot think of anything that would induce me to choose it. That is not to say I have no strong beliefs; but there is nothing I strongly believe in that would be served by my death, in my opinion.

(2) I do not believe there is a God; after thoroughly examining my belief in God, I decided that the claim lacked convincing evidence and the concept lacked plausibility. I recognize that I could be wrong, for the simple reason that unless one is omniscient, one does not know anything with absolute confidence. Nevertheless, my tentative (but very strong) conclusion is that God does not exist.

Every definition and/or “proof” of God that I have ever seen required me to take major, basic, and (worst of all) unnecessary premises on faith. Take the Christian faith, for example. How do we know that Jesus died for our sins? The Bible tells us so. But if the Bible does not represent the true Will of God, then it is all rather irrelevant, isn’t it? To believe in Jesus’s divinity, one must take this article on faith, when the obvious conclusion is that it was simply a book of myths written down by superstitious men. Why assume that it is proof of divinity, when we know that men make myths and write them down, but no divine being has ever made itself publicly known? Besides, God clearly doesn’t strike anyone down with lightning bolts if they alter the Bible, so how do we know that it wasn’t completely changed at an unknown time, even if it was the Word of God? It is an impossible thing to prove, and so I must either take the leap of faith (which I cannot honestly do) or withhold belief.

Many argue that the various holy books and prophecies are proved by evidence. I suppose it is possible, but the evidence I have found still requires huge leaps of faith. Fulfilled prophecies are often impossibly vague, self-fulfilling, or fulfilled later in the same holy book. Historical accuracies are not unexpected, since one can assume the authors knew a little about their own time. Science in holy literature is more often wrong than not, and the elaborate schemes of divine beings manipulating the lives of men seem fantastic and driven by a need to explain the unknown and justify the unjustifiable.

As far as I can tell, the various gods and goddesses worshipped around the world spring from fear of the unknown, the need to answer emotionally traumatic questions, a desire for purpose, and the creation of moral rules that must be enforced. They find their justification in man’s awe at nature, his lack of explanations for natural phenomena, the mysteriousness of death and consciousness, and rather weak philosophical arguments invented by men with the desire to believe and the intention to justify those beliefs.

There are thousands of mutually contradictory religions across the globe, every one with the same evidence and the same testimony and equally convincing prophecies and rituals and doctrines. They all provide for the same human needs, but it is impossible to choose one without immediately raising the unanswerable question, “If you are willing to accept this one by faith, why do you reject all the others, when they require only faith?”

A man who is seeking truth wherever it might be has a chance of finding it; if he chooses a belief and sets out to prove it, he will only find truth if he guessed correctly before he knew anything. I think the best answer to the hard questions of life – the ones we argue incessantly without a scrap of evidence for any point of view – is, “We don’t know.” Mysteries such as consciousness may be beyond our current understanding, but that is not proof that God exists, nor is it reason to invent an equally mysterious system of doctrine and ritual so that we can pretend we do know the answers to all the hard questions of life; it means only that there are things we do not yet know, and answers still to search for. I believe that mankind’s needs will be better served by searching for those answers wherever they might be, than by arbitrarily choosing a belief from the world’s buffet and waiting until death to find out whether we guessed right.

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You ask almost as if significance were an objective quality that could, perhaps, be measured with the proper equipment. I would consider it entirely subjective; human beings simply are, as animals are, as planets are, as the universe is. Whatever happens to us or to anything else is neither significant nor insignificant on a universal scale. It is simply an event in the universe; without a predefined goal or intention, it has no import whatsoever.

Purely from a human point of view, it is true that most humans place more significance in human life than any other life. Whether we ought to is an entirely different question, and depends on the goals and intentions of the person you ask. However, the very nature of the human species is to live at the expense of other life-forms, and so I think it is impossible for a human being to truly value all life as he or she values human life.

For myself, as a conscious creature, I value interactions with other conscious creatures. Also, I enjoy the intricacy, complexity, and amazing capabilities of life, and so I regret any damage done to it. Therefore, I place as much significance as I can in the life-forms I encounter, while recognizing that sacrificing other life-forms for my own wellbeing is a necessary evil for my survival. The difficult question is when to sacrifice other living things, and when to make a sacrifice of my own to avoid harming other life, and it is a question I haven’t yet been able to answer to my complete satisfaction.

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I think that is an impossible question to answer. As I understand it, you are essentially asking, "What is reality?" Well, how are we to know? We describe our sensations and our observations, and try to find predictable patterns in them so that we can make other things happen for us to observe in turn. What the ‘real’ thing these observations describe is like, or whether there even exists a ‘real’ thing besides a complex set of illusions, is a question that cannot be answered by simply examining our observations (after all, it is a question about what is beyond observation). And if we cannot observe a thing, then we cannot truly answer any questions about it. We can only guess – an exercise that adds no new information to the universe.

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When you ask me who ‘I’ would be, I assume you are speaking of the entity that would answer the questions you ask with the answers I am about to give you (as opposed to the mouth that would say them and the hands that type them). In that case, ‘I’ would certainly still be myself. As far as medical science can tell us, every part of our knowledge and personalities are encoded in the brain. Transferring its control to a different set of muscles and organs would not alter my identity.

If the procedure were a well-known one, or if I could demonstrate it or provide contact information for the brilliant surgeon who performed the operation, then convincing others of my identity would be a simple matter.

If, however, this transplant was done by an arcane or secret method, and I could not prove it, then I would not even attempt to prove my identity to the public. The fanatic, lunatic, gullible, and fickle would believe me, while intelligent, critical observers would rightly reject my story for lack of evidence (after all, even if I could prove I knew things that only I should know, it would be far more likely that my host had obtained the information in some way, than that I had undergone an impossible procedure).

If I chose to resume my old life, I would have to convince friends and family, of course, which would be easier since I would know their intellectual habits and the kinds of evidence that would most easily convince each of them. It would depend completely on the person, however, so I can’t very well describe how I would do it.

(6) From my point of view as a conscious being, I might as well not exist if I am not using that consciousness. One might argue that in this situation, I would be using my consciousness to feel pleasure; however, I would exist in a changeless, purposeless world, the goals of my conscious mind either unheeded or impossible to carry out. With limitless opportunities to alter my world for the better, I would not wish to withdraw from it in this way.

Of course, once in the happiness box I would not care. I would be happy. Artificially happy, it is true, but that would not matter to me. Why should I care that my life is wasted? It’s virtual suicide, but it’s a very long and very happy suicide.

The answer is that essentially, it is a question of whether I should make a bad decision, if I know I’ll have no chance to regret it afterwards. My response is that I would not do it, for the same reason that I will never try heroin, even if I was assured enough supply to be high 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for the rest of my life. That is, when I weigh the illusion of perfect pleasure against the reality of my choices, I cannot see any justification for giving up that freedom for something I will never need unless I taste it.
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All human organisations are run by corrupt Elites, as outlined by Pareto, Mosca, Michels.
There those who govern and those who are governed. The governors make sure that the aims of the organisation belefit their own goals. The governed are shafted.
The Elite use a set of aphorisms to shore up their own power and status. The govered have to accept these aphorisms as axiomatic -- accept them or be persecuted.
Christian leaders cherry-pick from the Bible to justify their power.
Academics do likewise with philosophy.
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Originally Posted by dcrowther3
All human organisations are run by corrupt Elites, as outlined by Pareto, Mosca, Michels.
There those who govern and those who are governed. The governors make sure that the aims of the organisation belefit their own goals. The governed are shafted.
The Elite use a set of aphorisms to shore up their own power and status. The govered have to accept these aphorisms as axiomatic -- accept them or be persecuted.
Christian leaders cherry-pick from the Bible to justify their power.
Academics do likewise with philosophy.
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My answers will be nowhere near as thorough as yours, but I'll give 'em anyway:

1. Is there anything you would willingly die for? What?

Possibly to save my daughter's life. I say possibly because talk is cheap and I don't know what I would do for sure.

2. Do you believe there is a God? Why or why not?

No, I do not. I'm going to leave the why not blank - I want to write it all out for a different thread I am thinking about and maybe I'll post it back here.

3. Are human beings more significant than other animal life-forms? Plants? Why?

They are to me, but I would not expect them to be to another species. Self-interest.

4. What is the most 'real' -- the chair you are sitting on, the molecules that make up the chair, the sensations and images you have of the chair as you are sitting on it, or something else? Why?

The first two, I would say. The sensations and images of the chair are definitely in your head, the first two may be only in your head but probably not.

5. Suppose that your mind ('brain' if you wish) was successfully transplanted into a stranger's body. Who would you be? The stranger or yourself? How would you convince people that you really were you?

Grrrr. I'm not sure if you would be person A (brain), person B (body), or new person C. As far as convincing people as to the identity of the brain, it would have to be talking to family / others who knew me.

6. We have developed a machine, a box with some electrodes and a life-support system, which we call the "happiness box." If you get into the box, you will experience a powerfully pleasant sensation, which will continue indefinitely with just enough variation to keep you from getting too used to it. We invite you to try it. If you decide to do so, you can get out of the box any time you want to; but perhaps we should tell you that no one, once they have gotten into the happiness box, has ever wanted to get out of it. After ten hours or so, we hook up the life-support system, and people spend their lifetimes there. Of course, they never do anythign else, so their bodies tend to resemble half-filled waterbeds after a few years, because of the lack of exercise. But that never bothers them either. Now it's your decision: Would you like to step into the happiness box? Why or why not?

My first answer is no, because I know it will be an illusion. After a little pondering though, could this be a heaven metaphor ? Am I (essentially) turning down heaven ? Hmmm.
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Originally Posted by Ledifni
1. Is there anything you would willingly die for? What?
I would die to avoid a serious breach of my ethical principles.

2. Do you believe there is a God? Why or why not?

No. I'm not rationally persuaded that God exists. Basically, not enough evidence.

3. Are human beings more significant than other animal life-forms? Plants? Why?

Significance is relative, though not whimsically so. Human beings are more "significant" to other human beings due to our social nature. Other social species (e.g. bees) are presumably more significant to some other members of their kind (e.g. the other bees in the hive).

4. What is the most 'real' -- the chair you are sitting on, the molecules that make up the chair, the sensations and images you have of the chair as you are sitting on it, or something else? Why?

All are equally real, each in its own way. But only the molecules that make up the chair is the chair.

5. Suppose that your mind ('brain' if you wish) was successfully transplanted into a stranger's body. Who would you be? The stranger or yourself?

I would be my brain in a stranger's body. My personality would be mine, so I would still think of myself as "me" for most practical purposes. I think of "myself" as most directly relating to higher brain functions, not my DNA.

Would you like to step into the happiness box? Why or why not?

No, because I'm not a hedonist. I don't believe that pleasure is the Good for human beings. I believe that flourishing is the Good Life, and so I would want to have real accomplishments, not merely an artificial recreation of the pleasure that might in theory accompany such accomplishments.
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1. That dress I saw in the store yesterday was to die for.
2. Cats are cuter.
3. Same again.
4. None of the above. It's all cats.
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1. I would willingly die for what I believe in, but I would not fight with violence. I would willingly die for my children. I would, and have, put my life on the line for complete strangers.

2. I do not believe in God, because science, experience and logic have validated my non-belief. Also, who I am is an amalgamation of my choices and paths in life, there is no one else to blame or who should take credit for that. There is no puppet master, and there is no guiding light but my own conscience.

3. I wouldn't say they are more or less significant to life. The cows provide needed protein for many people, and yet they do not understand their purpose. This does not make them less valueable, it only makes them easier to kill for the protein it provides. All things have value, but those that know they have value are more likely to survive. I am a Buddhist, and do not eat meat myself because I have adopted a life of non-violence, but I can understand why people do eat meat.

4. Discarding any nihilistic views, the chair I sit upon is more "real".

5. Outside my family, I would not waste my time trying to convince anyone that I am me. Who I am is more than a pile of bones and skin. I would convince my family only to ease their loss and mourning, but as for others I would still continue in the same course of compassion and love. Nothing would change for me if I had another body to live in.

6. I will always choose experience, over ignorance. I do not believe that ignorance is bliss because it teaches nothing. Through pain and suffering, or samsara, we learn balance, compassion and understanding that cannot be gained otherwise. I will always have a need to be aware of myself and my surroundings, and for that mindfulness to be as honest and real as possible. There is no greater teacher than life itself in all it's chaos.
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Originally Posted by Ledifni
I'm taking a philosophy class this semester, and our first day's homework assignment is to give our best answers to some basic philosophical questions.
Congrats, hope you enjoy the class

1. Is there anything you would willingly die for? What?

No. I dont think there would be a time when the loss of my life would make the world fantastically happier for anyone.


2. Do you believe there is a God? Why or why not?

No. Because God is philosophically incoherent, and empirically meaningless. There is no more reason to affirm the existence of gods any more than unicorns or the boogie man, so I affirm the existence of no more than zero gods. That makes me an atheist.

Besides, the universe as it appears today is exactly what you'd expect from a universe without any gods, it is utterly indistinguishable from an atheistic universe. If observing the world in terms of what is actually out there is sufficient grounds to base ones worldviews (in this case, the existence of God seems to be pretty much null), then I am in a pretty well justified to call myself an atheist.


3. Are human beings more significant than other animal life-forms? Plants? Why?

There is nothing about being a member of the human species that makes something more valuable than any other species.

The moral value of life is determined by its capacity to feel pain and its desire for contined existence. Without these things, a creature can never suffer or feel that it has been harmed neither directly nor indirectly (it is quite odd to say that something is morally wrong if never actually harmed anything).


4. What is the most 'real' -- the chair you are sitting on, the molecules that make up the chair, the sensations and images you have of the chair as you are sitting on it, or something else? Why?

Things are real if they are made of matter, take up space, or effect the world in some way. If it has neither of these things, then it can have zero definable properties, making it indistinguishable from nothingness and essentially equivalent to non-existence itself.

That being said, a chair is real, molecules are real. The sensations are only a process that the brain does, sensations are not a concrete thing in themselves.


5. Suppose that your mind ('brain' if you wish) was successfully transplanted into a stranger's body. Who would you be? The stranger or yourself? How would you convince people that you really were you?

The things that make you *you* are your memories, experiences, and personality, all of these things reside in the brain (psychological continuity so-to-speak). If my brain were transplanted in the body of another person, I would still be me.

I wouldnt care to convince people who I really was, but if I did I would do so with my innate knowledge and skills, memories, and a personality that could only belong to one person - the person sitting at this keyboard.

If I'm transplanted into another body, my only request is that it be the body of an incredibly attractive woman *wink wink nudge nudge*.


6. We have developed a machine, a box with some electrodes and a life-support system, which we call the "happiness box." If you get into the box, you will experience a powerfully pleasant sensation, which will continue indefinitely with just enough variation to keep you from getting too used to it. We invite you to try it. If you decide to do so, you can get out of the box any time you want to; but perhaps we should tell you that no one, once they have gotten into the happiness box, has ever wanted to get out of it. After ten hours or so, we hook up the life-support system, and people spend their lifetimes there. Of course, they never do anythign else, so their bodies tend to resemble half-filled waterbeds after a few years, because of the lack of exercise. But that never bothers them either. Now it's your decision: Would you like to step into the happiness box? Why or why not?

No. My life would only be meaningful if I could have a positive impact on the lives of other people - a happiness box is one good way to ensure that you have a nameless, faceless, and expendable existence. Weighing a lifetime of happiness with a meaningful existence, I'm going to choose a meaningful existence - besides, I can be happy and live a meaningful life at the same time, so I am loosing relatively little at the gain of so much more by choosing not to step into the box. Maybe, I'll step into the box when I'm on my last years of life and I have nothing more to contribute to the world.
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1. Is there anything you would willingly die for? What?

I would die for my friends, and I would die for the proclamation of the gospel, though i am not worthy to do so. Reason why: Phil 1:21 "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain."

2. Do you believe there is a God? Why or why not?

God exists, whether we like it or not. The existence of God is not a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact. "Is God there?" some would ask, and to answer the question, I would ask "Is your seat there?" If you say "In my opinion God isn't there" then you ought to say "In my opinion, there is no chair." But objectively, the chair has to be there, it's a matter of fact. Why do I believe in God? Because there is objectivity. There is objective truth, if there wasn't objective truth, then Hitler was justified in killing 11 million people.

3. Are human beings more significant than other animal life-forms? Plants? Why?

I have a verse for this one, simple answer. Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." "

4. What is the most 'real' -- the chair you are sitting on, the molecules that make up the chair, the sensations and images you have of the chair as you are sitting on it, or something else? Why?

They are all equally as real as the other, cuz they are all there.

5. Suppose that your mind ('brain' if you wish) was successfully transplanted into a stranger's body. Who would you be? The stranger or yourself? How would you convince people that you really were you?

You would be yourself, cuz it is your brain. This question is nonsense, cuz it's literally impossible. I don't think I could possibly convince people that I was me, unless I knew some of their deep down secrets that they only told me.

6. We have developed a machine, a box with some electrodes and a life-support system, which we call the "happiness box." If you get into the box, you will experience a powerfully pleasant sensation, which will continue indefinitely with just enough variation to keep you from getting too used to it. We invite you to try it. If you decide to do so, you can get out of the box any time you want to; but perhaps we should tell you that no one, once they have gotten into the happiness box, has ever wanted to get out of it. After ten hours or so, we hook up the life-support system, and people spend their lifetimes there. Of course, they never do anythign else, so their bodies tend to resemble half-filled waterbeds after a few years, because of the lack of exercise. But that never bothers them either. Now it's your decision: Would you like to step into the happiness box? Why or why not?

This question seems... kinda silly. It's too long, and complicated. I don't want to give it the time.
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Originally Posted by FSTDT
Congrats, hope you enjoy the class

1. Is there anything you would willingly die for? What?

No. I dont think there would be a time when the loss of my life would make the world fantastically happier for anyone.
Which is what makes the death of Christ as a propitiation for our sin so amazing

Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
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"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw
that God's Truth was attacked and yet would remain silent." John Calvin


"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything"


Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.


Sola Scriptura, Solus Christus, Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, and Sola Deo Gloria

A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw
that God's Truth was attacked and yet would remain silent." John Calvin


"He who stands for nothing, falls for anything"



Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.




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