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But Hitler thought it was good to kill the jews for the advantage of the aryan race. Just because the majority believes that it's right doesn't make it right, and just becuase the majority believes it's wrong doesn't make it wrong. If we have the idea of good and evil for good reasons from the human perspective, then Hitler had good reasons from his human perspective (and don't even go on this whojle tangent that he wasn't human...) to kill 6 million jews and 5 million other minorities.

For instance, if I thought it was good to kill some person that I didn't even know that never even bothered me before right off the street because it was for the good of the human race, am I justified? Well, according to your argument about good reasoning, I am. I have to be, becuase I believe that I am, and I am a human, therefore, it's from a human perspective.

And, good reasons according to whom? To the majority? So, if the majority decided to kill an innocent person for absolutely nothing (and without a trial), nor for any reason to kill him, then the majority is right? Hah! Humans are at fault. Humans are sinners, and they have no capability of doing good without God.

No, there really isn't an "objective evil" in my opinion. "Evil" is defined in human terms, based on human ideas of what is preferable.

That doesn't mean it's all subjective; we have the ideas of good and evil for good reasons from the human perspective. Subjectivity only enters into it when you question whether there is any inevitable reason to value our lives and health. Ultimately, though, if you value life and health and view society as a vehicle to promote the lives and health of humans, then moral reasoning is inevitable.



I also believe there is such a thing as objectivity, but I don't see how it follows that there is a God. If there is a reality that is what it is no matter what we say about it, then there is objectivity. That reality does not have to be God.

Philosophy class is a scam, they teach only left wing socialist whack job theories of ethics and morals, and discussing nothing of Rand. I hated philo

Philosophy class is a scam, they teach only left wing socialist whack job theories of ethics and morals, and discussing nothing of Rand.

Most of Rand's works are simply rehashes of other, much more prolific philosophers, she just dumbed it down for the general public.

Ayn Rand and her version of Objectivism is a joke.

Even to other Objectivists, and people who have worked with her.

Objectivism isn't even a valid philosophy because of it's great and wide disagreements between it's own supporters.

They often just go at each other with wild abandon, and mock each other. They make it a joke themselves with all their bickering and assertions that they are right and everyone else who calls themselves an Objectivist is wrong.

Their whole stance is to mock the rest of the philosophical world, including Marx, Nietzche and Kant.

There is no flaw in the fundamental principles of Objectivism, but there is a very great flaw in some of Ayn Rand's applications and interpretations of the fundamental principles of the Objectivist ethics. The major flaw is her complete denial of the link between psychology and philosophy. And yet she consistantly, throughout her books, makes unrealistic and inappropriate moral judgements on other people all the while never proving or defending her flawed claims about human psychology.

Who, precisely? There are plenty of people who would disagree.

Disagreements among supporters is true of just about any philosophy. Agreement among supporters is not a litmus test of the validity of a philosophy, unless you want to discount just about all of philosophy.

None of which means that Objectivism isn't a valid accomplishment in philosophy.

False. They present a philosophical case as well. BTW, Nietszche mocked Kant.

I'm not saying that Objectivism is perfect and complete as far as a theory of psychology goes. But that does not invalidate it as a philosophy or make it "a joke". This is a ridiculous exaggeration.

Not what I am saying. It's the way they go about completely discrediting each other by attacking the person and not the ideas they present individually. For some reason, Objectivists seem to have a bigger interest in ego than in presenting what is true and right.