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View Poll Results: Do you think children's classical education is okay? | |
Yes, classical education is okay for children to study.
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Yes, and I believe we should all study classical religion.
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No, classical education is bad for children to study.
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Absolutely not... and I don't want to study it either!
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I'm not sure...
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7th August 2002, 12:32 AM
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Reps: 530 (power: 0) | | | I think Baylor was more than a bit confused on the whole issue. What he has described (hellenistic, horrible rituals, etc) really isn't Wiccan at all. Sounds a bit "Mike Warnke"ish to me.
Wicca isn't evil, it's just a different faith than Christianity.
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7th August 2002, 12:51 AM
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7th August 2002, 02:03 AM
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A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James
When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a woman in the audience stood up and said, "Yes, but is it the God of the Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?" -- Quentin Crisp |
7th August 2002, 03:28 AM
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Not just it says: for christians and NON christians........... that includes pagans. Dont worry, I dont go into the ones for just christians............. 
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Reps: 64,647 (power: 106) | | Originally posted by Baylor_SFL I prefer not to talk about this anymore... Obviously, I am not getting my point across and this is frusterating. I thought that this was a forum for Christians... not Pagans (no offense seebs & ladylove).
Okay. I guess it does seem like part of your point is missing me. To the best of my knowledge, there's no actual believers in the Greek gods left, unless you count polytheists who believe that anything anyone worships is "real". I don't see Greek mythology as much of a threat to Christian thought. |
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | I'm pretty sure that there still are people who worship gods... check out this site... they may be able to point out stuff I don't know (I'm not pagan after all...). Maybe you could ask them about it.
The Cauldron - A Pagan Forum - http://www.ecauldron.com/
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Reps: 1,266,500,831 (power: 1,266,510) | | | Actually I think in order to understand the traditions of western culture, history and law a classical education is important... Many of the great Christian humanists such as Thomas More, Erasmus and Comenius of the past most certainly had classical educations and knew Greek and Latin.
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Reps: 40,474,886,214,734,920 (power: 40,474,886,214,804) | | Some have claimed that Classical Education is really a Christian idea that was stolen by pagans and we just need to reclaim it. However, the history of education, including Classical Education, traces its roots to the pagan Greek philosophers like Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle around 500-400 B. C Originally Posted by seebs  What do you mean by "pagan-based"? Stuff like Greek philosophers? Certainly! The philosophers were working on pure reason, not religion, and much of what they uncovered is still useful today.
Most of the great Christian thinkers have had a good, solid, education in the Greek and Roman classics; indeed, I believe at least a couple of them venerated Aristotle and Plato for their brilliant thinking.
Hi. I hadn't heard of Marcus Aurelius until I saw him mentioned in the signature of another forum member.
I found it rather interesting reading as I do not read too many writings outside of the Bible [only been reading about 3 and half years so far]. I would attempt to harmonize these with what is in the Bible and may even bring a better understanding of the Bible itself.
What are others thoughts on this? Peace  http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.html
Roman Emperor and Stoic, the author of Meditations in twelve books. Its first printing appeared in English in 1634. During the reign of Marcus Aurelius the celebrated Pax Romana collapsed - perhaps this made the emperor the most forbearing of all Stoics. An important feature of the philosophy was that everything will recur: the whole universe becomes fire and then repeats itself. Constantly regard the universe as one living being, having one substance and one soul; and observe how all things have reference to one perception, the perception of this one living being; and how all things act with one movement; and how all things are the cooperating causes of all things which exist; observe too the continuous spinning of the thread and the contexture of the web. (from The Meditations)
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17th December 2006, 01:24 PM
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Reps: 4,248,754,869 (power: 4,248,775) | | I always understood classical education to be an education in the languages of Greek, Hebrew, and Latin, as well as in mathematics. Whatever it is, I'm afraid I fail to see the pagan connection here. The early church fathers quoted from the Greek philosophers. Greek philosophy was of some theological importance in the Western church (I don't know to what extent the Greeks affected the Eastern church, though). Unless one is a fundamentalist, I don't see why the idea of classical education would seem offensive to Christians. Originally Posted by Mid Paganism IS okay.
To the Christian, paganism is not OK. While I see nothing pagan about classical education, I nonetheless affirm that it is not acceptable to practice paganism, because God has declared this to be idolatry.
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