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Old 10th August 2005, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rzuvich
1Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

This is a CHRISTIAN forum and there are so-called Christians actually defending Darwinist Evolutionism???

Whoa, talk about apostacy! I have a good understanding of evolutionism as a former evolutionst/athiest. It is not a lack of understanding I suffer from, it is just a fact that evolutionism is false, not science, not scientific and it is religious (%100). It is not based upon nothing but lies, ad hominem attacks on Christians, scientists and science.
Evolution is not science? Is a religion? Please elaborate, this is a pretty ridiculous statement

Even IF people could mix with apes does not show origins from them or any other ape-like anything. It proves nothing in regards to any supposed evolutionary relationship. A common DESIGNER is the Bible's answer, not common descent. Screwdrivers may be phillips or flat; it does not follow that one evolved into another. Lug nuts from a Chevy can be put onto other cars....they did not evolve into other cars.
Oh, this sounds like a neat idea. Please provide the proof for a designer that is so lacking in evolution.
You have to RE-INTERPRET the Bible in light of the claims of men to arrive at Evolutionism from the Bible. It is not in there, except as prophecied as a false religion of the last days. It says "evening and morning were the ____day", for crying out loud!
Religious authorities have be re-interpreting the bible from pretty much its conception, why single them out now? And I really have a hard time seeing how you can hold the bible as an accurate source of historical, let alone scientific, evidence when you say you are versed in science

Any CHRISTIAN who defends Darwinism lacks knowledge of both science, Evolutionism and the Bible-and wholesale rejects what God wrote concerning origins. No, Genesis is not open to interpretation because of what men say (no matter HOW MANY say it). God knows how to communicate-it is the rejector who does not know how to listen.
False dichotomy. Also, the entire point of the bible, or any religious text, is its interpretation. Just because one chooses to believe in God does not mean that person has to abandon all rationality. Also, believing in God has little to do with evolution; once again, science has no place for God.
True scientists can not accept the fable and religion of evolution, despite how they claim Creationists are not true scientists. They cannot even practice real science ***in regards to origins***, since they are biased religious nuts.

No Christians should EVER defend such a deadly, murderous religion as Darwiniam. Ever. Ugh...it is sickening.

True science knows nothing of evolutionism.
And what is included in "true" science? Faith healing? Demonic possesion? How is evolution a religion? Religion and science may coexist, but they may never intersect.



In six days means six days, not millions of years.
Well, that's your interpretation.
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Originally Posted by Carico
It's too bad you can't support your assertions with any facts. I can. Humans breed humans and apes breed apes. Those are facts.

Yes, indeed. Here is another one. Humans are not another category besides apes, humans are a subcategory of apes. Nested hierachies.

Hence my previous pointing out of a category mistake of yours.



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Yes, indeed. Here is another one. Humans are not another category besides apes, humans are a subcategory of apes. Nested hierachies.

Hence my previous pointing out of a category mistake of yours.
And who said that human beings are a "subcategory of apes"? A man with a Ph.D.? Sorry, but there are other men with Ph.D's who disagree with them. So who's right? Just a guess? Absolutely.
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Originally Posted by Carico
And who said that human beings are a "subcategory of apes"? A man with a Ph.D.? Sorry, but there are other men with Ph.D's who disagree with them. So who's right? Just a guess? Absolutely.
Argument from authority. This is the third different argumentative fallacy you've evoked in a six pages.
And who says God created man in six days? A minister? There are some rabbis, imans, and monks I'd like you to meet.
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Originally Posted by rzuvich
1Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

This is a CHRISTIAN forum and there are so-called Christians actually defending Darwinist Evolutionism???

Whoa, talk about apostacy! I have a good understanding of evolutionism as a former evolutionst/athiest. It is not a lack of understanding I suffer from, it is just a fact that evolutionism is false, not science, not scientific and it is religious (%100). It is not based upon nothing but lies, ad hominem attacks on Christians, scientists and science.
Wow, first post and you weigh in with a doozy!! First please don't call it "evolutionism". It's simply evolution. Of course there are Christians (not even "so-called") understanding/defending evolution. They have the ability to think objectively.

Also, please don't use the word "evolutionist"--I agree with evolution, but that no more makes me an evolutionist that a gravitationalist.

Please define science and religion then we can discuss your claims. Also, please show one article on evolution that attacks Christians or Christianity.

Originally Posted by rzuvich
Even IF people could mix with apes does not show origins from them or any other ape-like anything. It proves nothing in regards to any supposed evolutionary relationship. A common DESIGNER is the Bible's answer, not common descent. Screwdrivers may be phillips or flat; it does not follow that one evolved into another. Lug nuts from a Chevy can be put onto other cars....they did not evolve into other cars.
A common designer is the Bibles answer? If you start with the assumption something can never be wrong, in your mind it will never be wrong. You have to work from observations to conclusions, not the other way around. Also, screwdrivers and bolts are inorganic and do not reproduce. These are two of the most hiliarious examples ever put forth on these forums. And you claim to understand evolution?

Originally Posted by rzuvich
You have to RE-INTERPRET the Bible in light of the claims of men to arrive at Evolutionism from the Bible. It is not in there, except as prophecied as a false religion of the last days. It says "evening and morning were the ____day", for crying out loud!
So on what basis do you interpret the Bible? Which translation? How do you know it's the correct translation? If there are many different translations, meaning those who translated it don't agree on it's interpretation, how can you be certain you're correct?

Again, define religion.

Originally Posted by rzuvich
Any CHRISTIAN who defends Darwinism lacks knowledge of both science, Evolutionism and the Bible-and wholesale rejects what God wrote concerning origins. No, Genesis is not open to interpretation because of what men say (no matter HOW MANY say it). God knows how to communicate-it is the rejector who does not know how to listen.
What is Darwinism? A worship of Darwin? Scientists don't worship Darwin or anyone else. They study evolution. Evolution has come a long way since 1859. (Hint: "both" means two, not three--but a small point).

Again, which interpretation of the Bible do you use and why? If God knows how to communicate, you'd think s/he would have done a better job by now.

Originally Posted by rzuvich
True scientists can not accept the fable and religion of evolution, despite how they claim Creationists are not true scientists. They cannot even practice real science ***in regards to origins***, since they are biased religious nuts.
Again, define religion and "real science" and we'll go from there.

Please show one ID/Creationist article in a respected peer-reviewed journal.

Show how they are biased religious nuts. Please be specific with names and supporting evidence.

Originally Posted by rzuvich
No Christians should EVER defend such a deadly, murderous religion as Darwiniam. Ever. Ugh...it is sickening.
Umm, ok. Back away from the keyboard and take a deep breath. "Darwiniam"??!! That is a new one. Kudos.

Originally Posted by rzuvich
True science knows nothing of evolutionism.
On this I agree, as there is no such thing as evolutionism.

Originally Posted by rzuvich
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

"Millions of years" is a fable.

2 Peter 3:3-4
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

In six days means six days, not millions of years.
Using the Bible to show the Bible is true is circular reasoning.


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Why were you once an atheist out of curiosity? What made you see the "error" of your ways?
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And who said that human beings are a "subcategory of apes"? A man with a Ph.D.? Sorry, but there are other men with Ph.D's who disagree with them. So who's right? Just a guess? Absolutely.

And who said that all poodles are "a subcategory of dogs"?

Really, Carico... ::rolleyes::
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Originally Posted by Carico
And who said that human beings are a "subcategory of apes"? A man with a Ph.D.? Sorry, but there are other men with Ph.D's who disagree with them. So who's right? Just a guess? Absolutely.
Please provide us with some names and their articles published in peer-reviewed journals.
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Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff
Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious.
POE'S LAW:

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is uttrerly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.
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Originally Posted by rzuvich
1Timothy 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

This is a CHRISTIAN forum and there are so-called Christians actually defending Darwinist Evolutionism???
I find this funny... You quote Paul saying the Hebrew genealogies are worthless... Somehow try to use it against evolution... And all the time it is the YEC movement that uses the Hebrew genealogies to "prove" the Earth is young...

There is something wrong with this argument...
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POE'S LAW:

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is uttrerly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article.
I have yet to see one post of yours that contains any facts, Nathan. Your comments only show you cannot defend your position. Attacks only show frustration at the lack of evidence for your comments. That's the easiest thing in the world to do. As Jesus said to the paralytic; "Which is easier; to say your sins are forgiven or to say; "get up and walk?" Unless you can put your money where your mouth is, your posts are not credible.
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