| Creation & Evolution Forum for the discussion of this important topic. This forum is open to non-believers. There is a Christians-only forum in the Christians-only section too. |  | | 
11th August 2005, 03:42 PM
|  | Trad Goth 42  | | Join Date: 27th March 2004 Location: Durham
Posts: 2,843
Blessings: 98,265
Reps: 12,201 (power: 24) | | Originally Posted by Carico Then why do they call the offspring of apes different names like "homonids" and "homo sapiens" if they are the same species as apes?
Sorry can I just check, you think Apes is a species? A single Species?
That anyone can be that ignorant of Zoology is rather astounding. Have you ever considered suing your old School?
Ghost
__________________ Every "good" scientific theory is a prohibition: it forbids certain things to happen. The more a theory forbids, the better it is. - Popper, Sir Karl
Science does not deal in metaphysics. The existence or non-existence of God is a metaphysical question, and as such science neither attempts to prove or disprove God. | 
11th August 2005, 05:32 PM
| | Senior Veteran

| | Join Date: 19th January 2005 Location: Colorado
Posts: 4,052
Blessings: 57,503 My Mood
Reps: 166,646,492 (power: 166,659) | | Originally Posted by Carico Then why do they call the offspring of apes different names like "homonids" and "homo sapiens" if they are the same species as apes? They call the offspring of apes today, apes. So please explain that contradiction. Latin-speakers are still called humans just like French speakers are. So you're saying that human beings are the same as apes. Then why not call us all apes instead of humans?  Even different "subtypes" of ants are still called ants! So why not call humans apes today? And again, the notion that we have survived our "ancestors" is blatantly untrue because apes are still around today. So the evolution theory is hogwash.
Since it is quite obvious that species cannot interbreed, evolutionists try to get around this by simply claiming that apes and men are the same species! Hah! That's like saying we came from dogs simply by claiming that dogs & humans are the same species! It is a no-brainer that apes have different genes than humans do. They think they can try to make it true that men came from apes simply by claiming we are the same species. Sorry, but declaring that something is true does not make it true, even though many people are under the illusion that it does. They are fooling no one but themselves. Even children can see that apes are in the jungle or in zoos where man put them and humans rule over them like the bible claims.
What is your mental block against reading any of the well thought out responses to you?
The apes species you see alive on this planet today are not our ancestors. Humans are a species of ape, chimpanzees are a species of ape, gorillas are a species of ape. All different species of ape.
Is that simple enough?
__________________ -No signature required- | 
11th August 2005, 05:40 PM
|  | Trad Goth 42  | | Join Date: 27th March 2004 Location: Durham
Posts: 2,843
Blessings: 98,265
Reps: 12,201 (power: 24) | | Originally Posted by comana What is your mental block against reading any of the well thought out responses to you?
The apes species you see alive on this planet today are not our ancestors. Humans are a species of ape, chimpanzees are a species of ape, gorillas are a species of ape. All different species of ape.
Is that simple enough?
I am starting to wonder if anyone has ever bothered to explain taxonomic classifications to Carico. We are all so bussy being bemused by why she doesn't get it we never stopped to ask if anyone ever explained it.
Ghost
__________________ Every "good" scientific theory is a prohibition: it forbids certain things to happen. The more a theory forbids, the better it is. - Popper, Sir Karl
Science does not deal in metaphysics. The existence or non-existence of God is a metaphysical question, and as such science neither attempts to prove or disprove God. | 
11th August 2005, 05:59 PM
|  | Reason 25  | | Join Date: 6th September 2003 Location: Minnesota
Posts: 290
Blessings: 108,777
Reps: 39 (power: 0) | | | Carico, is there a single species called "Ape"? | 
11th August 2005, 06:12 PM
|  | Legend 43  | | Join Date: 31st May 2002
Posts: 11,095
Blessings: 73,241
Reps: 33,621 (power: 55) | | | Apes and Humans can both grow beards so they must be the same species.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
__________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. aclufightsforchristians com NEWSFLASH: Today, 6,000,000 teachers in the US didn't do anything illegal God is Still Speaking, | 
11th August 2005, 06:21 PM
|  | Trad Goth 42  | | Join Date: 27th March 2004 Location: Durham
Posts: 2,843
Blessings: 98,265
Reps: 12,201 (power: 24) | | Originally Posted by notto Apes and Humans can both grow beards so they must be the same species.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Not wanting to be a killjoy but perhaps you should try harder to resist in this instance. Something hit me about Charico today, and Marie has crystallised the thoughts for me. No one who is just plain dishonest would come here for the level of abuse Carico gets. I think she genuinely does not understand (I know, I know, I was one of the first to dismiss her as just a liar, but I now think I was wrong).
I think we are overloading her with information and we are doing a poor job o breaking it don into manageable chunks. Earlier today she asked me some questions with what seamed like a genuine curiosity.
Problem is every time she sticks her head above the parapet she gets bombarded with posts, many of which are long and rambling (I know my posts can be) others of which are mocking and insulting. Combine the two and she must get frustrated, angry and emotional, not the best conditions to be in when trying to understand a bunch of verbose windbags like us.
I know she can be frustrating, but I for one am going to try and be more patient and see if that helps her understand our points. She may never agree with evolution, but at least she may understand what evolution is not claiming.
Ghost
PS. Sorry to talk about you in 3rd person as if you arn't here Carico.
__________________ Every "good" scientific theory is a prohibition: it forbids certain things to happen. The more a theory forbids, the better it is. - Popper, Sir Karl
Science does not deal in metaphysics. The existence or non-existence of God is a metaphysical question, and as such science neither attempts to prove or disprove God. | 
11th August 2005, 09:37 PM
|  | I just follow Christ. 29  | | Join Date: 10th November 2003
Posts: 6,283
Blessings: 88,460
Reps: 77,294 (power: 93) | | Originally Posted by DJ_Ghost Not wanting to be a killjoy but perhaps you should try harder to resist in this instance. Something hit me about Charico today, and Marie has crystallised the thoughts for me. No one who is just plain dishonest would come here for the level of abuse Carico gets. I think she genuinely does not understand (I know, I know, I was one of the first to dismiss her as just a liar, but I now think I was wrong).
I think we are overloading her with information and we are doing a poor job o breaking it don into manageable chunks. Earlier today she asked me some questions with what seamed like a genuine curiosity.
Problem is every time she sticks her head above the parapet she gets bombarded with posts, many of which are long and rambling (I know my posts can be) others of which are mocking and insulting. Combine the two and she must get frustrated, angry and emotional, not the best conditions to be in when trying to understand a bunch of verbose windbags like us.
I know she can be frustrating, but I for one am going to try and be more patient and see if that helps her understand our points. She may never agree with evolution, but at least she may understand what evolution is not claiming.
Ghost
PS. Sorry to talk about you in 3rd person as if you arn't here Carico.
I need to spread around some reps before repping Ghost again!
I can't speak for Carico, and I don't know him personally (except from posts on this board) so I can't really comment on his motives. However, I know there are dozens, if not hundreds of creationists who would honestly like to know the truth, and don't intentionally want to misrepresent evolution.
Of course, it's much easier and much more appealing to respond to insults than to go through technical arguments that are often incomplete. Add to that the fact that Carico (or others like him) may not have been to school for a formal education for decades and may only get background information from popular creationist books... It's not a condusive situation to learning by far!
__________________ there may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice,
but there should never be a time when we fail to protest. -- Elie Weisel | 
11th August 2005, 09:55 PM
|  | PeteAce - In memory of WinAce 35  | | Join Date: 30th June 2002
Posts: 8,425
Blessings: 2,111,717
Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,694) | | | I agree with DJ_Ghost and Deamiter to a point. However, I'd say that Carico agrivated the problem by leveraging her confusion as an attack on the ToE.
It's one thing to be ignorant or confused about something and ask questions, but it's another to claim that something is false because you are confused. It's like if I went to a physics forum and claimed that QM was contradictory and confusing, that this is embarrassing for physics and physicists should see the "truth"... well, what kind of reaction should I expect?
__________________ Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution | 
11th August 2005, 10:12 PM
|  | Legend 39 
| | Join Date: 21st September 2002 Location: United States
Posts: 32,420
Blessings: 50,532
Reps: 295,212,687,427,838,720 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff I agree with DJ_Ghost and Deamiter to a point. However, I'd say that Carico agrivated the problem by leveraging her confusion as an attack on the ToE.
It's one thing to be ignorant or confused about something and ask questions, but it's another to claim that something is false because you are confused. It's like if I went to a physics forum and claimed that QM was contradictory and confusing, that this is embarrassing for physics and physicists should see the "truth"... well, what kind of reaction should I expect?
The problem is Carico's not confused, she's doing it on purpose. No human being could genuinely be this confused and function in today's society without professional supervision.
Notice how selective Carico is in her threads: She only responds to posts containing ideas she can misrepresent, only quotes when she can mine it, only uses the loosest, most twistable words, and passes on the rest, like ti doesn't exist.
She's selective and intelligent, like a good predator. She sees a weakness in language, and attacks it with semantics. | 
11th August 2005, 10:18 PM
|  | Legend 43  | | Join Date: 31st May 2002
Posts: 11,095
Blessings: 73,241
Reps: 33,621 (power: 55) | | Originally Posted by DJ_Ghost I know she can be frustrating, but I for one am going to try and be more patient and see if that helps her understand our points. She may never agree with evolution, but at least she may understand what evolution is not claiming.
That approach has been tried. Got nowhere. http://www.christianforums.com/t1831...to-humans.html
__________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. aclufightsforchristians com NEWSFLASH: Today, 6,000,000 teachers in the US didn't do anything illegal God is Still Speaking, |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |