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Old 3rd August 2005, 03:01 PM
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Do most Baptists believe the Rapture?

I was talking to a Baptist pastor and he preaches the rapture. I don't believe that, but I agree with a lot else he preaches and he seems very Biblical. Is the Rapture part of Baptist beliefs? Would you go to a church if it is mostly Biblical, but disagreed in one area? BTW I'm not Baptist. I'm a Christian looking for a church to be fed on the Word.
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Old 3rd August 2005, 03:12 PM
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The word rapture is not in the bible, however the bible says that God will take his people up in the twinkling of an eye... which according to scientist is sooo fast that we will basically disappear...... I believe in the rapture, because the Bible says so... and the bible doesnt lie.
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Originally Posted by PatrickJ
I was talking to a Baptist pastor and he preaches the rapture. I don't believe that, but I agree with a lot else he preaches and he seems very Biblical. Is the Rapture part of Baptist beliefs? Would you go to a church if it is mostly Biblical, but disagreed in one area? BTW I'm not Baptist. I'm a Christian looking for a church to be fed on the Word.
To answer your first question: that depends on what Baptist you talk to. There are all kinds of Baptists. Our only real areas of agreement are baptism for believers only, and a belief that the eucharist is a symbolic and memorial ordinance. While Baptists tend to be conservative, some (such as American Baptists) are very liberal.

Now in regards to the rapture. My church believes in something that we call "the rapture," but we don't believe in the rapture theology developed by John Darby in the 1830's. The rapture is a point in time when all believers on earth and under the earth (that is, dead believers too) will be raised up to heaven. This much is in the Bible, so all Christians believe in it. But the question arises: when does the rapture occur, relative to other end-time events? The Bible says that after the man of sin ("the Beast" in the Revelation to Saint John) is revealed, the earth will suffer a seven year tribulation period. When many evangelicals talk about the rapture, they're referring to a "pre-tribulation rapture." Believers in this theology say that the church will be raptured before the man of sin is revealed. This is very significant, because it implies that the church won't have to suffer tribulation.

As I said, my church denies the pre-tribulation rapture, and my pastor says that it is dangerous theology, since it encourages Christians to not prepare themselves for persecution. Furthermore, I would submit that this theology is non-traditional. Before 1830, most people understood that the rapture would occur at the end of the tribulation. The evangelical John Darby proported a new idea, and it seemed to take hold among certain believers in the American church. Finally, I would like to point out that when Saint Paul says that believers will "meet the Lord in the air," the Greek word he uses suggests a meeting in which believers come up to meet the Lord, and go back down with him to the earth. That same word is used elsewhere, in the book of Acts (remind me to look up the verse), when believers from a town go out to meet Paul, and bring him back into town. All this suggests to me that belief in a post-tribulation rapture is wiser.

Should you go to a church if it's mostly Biblical but disagrees in one area? If you consider that area to be of minor importance, then sure. For example, as much as I love my church, my pastor advocates corporal punishment for children. I happen to believe that this isn't a good idea. But it's a small enough issue for me that I don't generally give it a second thought. If eschatology isn't important to you, then I'd say you should continue attending this church. But if this is something that will be nagging at you day and night, then you should probably find a better place to fellowship.

But if you're looking for a church that truly preaches from the Bible, I think you couldn't have picked a better denomination than Baptists.
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Originally Posted by Koontzy
The word rapture is not in the bible, however the bible says that God will take his people up in the twinkling of an eye... which according to scientist is sooo fast that we will basically disappear...... I believe in the rapture, because the Bible says so... and the bible doesnt lie.
That's true, the word rapture isn't in the Bible. Actually, that word comes from a Latin translation of the Bible.
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I am Southern Baptist and yes we do believe in the rapture. Although the word rapture itself does not appear in the Bible, we take being taken up to mean raptured. I would only attend a church that teaches based on the Bible and even then I check what the Bible says for myself.
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Just wondering, does the SBC specifically teach either the pre-trib or post-trib doctrine? Or is it left for the believer to decide?
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Originally Posted by arunma
Just wondering, does the SBC specifically teach either the pre-trib or post-trib doctrine? Or is it left for the believer to decide?
the SBC teach a Pre-Trib rapture
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Then, of course, there is the mid-trib theory in which believers are "raptured" partway into the Great Tribulation (most mid-tribbers put it at halfway through, or 3.5 years into, the GT). I tend to lean somewhat toward a mix between pre-trib and mid-trib; by that I mean that Christians will see the beginning of the GT take hold but will not have to suffer through the majority of it.

As far as persecution goes, Christians are already being persecuted all throughout the world. Christians are dying for their faith in places like China, N. Korea, etc. Christians in America face a different kind of persecution via attacks on the concept of Christianity and those who practice but (usually) without resorting to physical violence.
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Originally Posted by abbygirlforever
As far as persecution goes, Christians are already being persecuted all throughout the world. Christians are dying for their faith in places like China, N. Korea, etc. Christians in America face a different kind of persecution via attacks on the concept of Christianity and those who practice but (usually) without resorting to physical violence.
I agree with the part about Christians in China, North Korea, and other places facing persecution. But I feel very strongly that American Christians don't know the meaning of persecution. Here in America, our children learn evolution in school and do not have state-sponsored worship services in class, and we call that "persecution." There was a time in Roman history when Christians would have been happy to just be left alone by the state. Here in the States, evangelical Christians have overwhelming political influence, and the worst persecution we suffer is from skeptics who intellectually attack Christianity. The fact that some Americans disagree with Christianity doesn't count as persecution. People who publish anti-Christian books, as godless and wicked as they may be, are not persecuting Christians. In America, we waste our time debating over meaningless Ten Commandments monuments. But there are places in the world where people will behead you if they learn that you believe in the Ten Commandents. Again, this isn't persecution. The church has suffered from over 200 years of dominance in America, and it has led us to be lax. I doubt many Christians (yes, even myself) would have any clue about what to do if Christianity ever became an illegal religion. That would be true persecution.

Sorry for responding with such vitrol, but it's important to realize that we American Christians are spoiled. We mustn't minimize that real persecution that other Christians suffer by comparing our small trifles with the real sufferings of Christians.
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Originally Posted by PatrickJ
I was talking to a Baptist pastor and he preaches the rapture. I don't believe that, but I agree with a lot else he preaches and he seems very Biblical. Is the Rapture part of Baptist beliefs? Would you go to a church if it is mostly Biblical, but disagreed in one area? BTW I'm not Baptist. I'm a Christian looking for a church to be fed on the Word.
Well, yes, I think it is part of baptist doctrine the rapture is inevitable and is eminent.
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