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25th July 2005, 11:49 AM
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The church I attend has married several interracial couples, and encourages adoption of children of other races. The issue of racial combination is not even discussed.
I'm guessing that they are using some verses out of context, to support their own views. They might have symbolized or twisted any of these:
- Not planting two types of seed together in a vineyard.
Deut. 22:9
- Keeping the Jewish heritage intact, or marrying someone that will support you in your faith.
II Corinthians 6:14, Nehemiah 13
- "Every living creature after its own kind" pertains to species, not races. It was God's declaration that created animals to reproduce with gene traits, not their own decision.
Genesis 1
- Tower of Babel dispersion. Then they would also have to admit that we all originated from one race.
Talk to anyone who knows purebreed dogs issues -- too much inbreeding for purity causes problems with breathing, nervous system, skin, and spine.
Rahab was a prostitute of another heritage, and was in Jesus' lineage.
Joshua 6:22‑25; Matt. 1:5
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free; but Christ is all, and in all.
Colossians 3:11
You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.
Ezekiel 47:22
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25th July 2005, 01:39 PM
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25th July 2005, 02:42 PM
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Reps: 196 (power: 0) | | Where are you all getting off with accusing BJU of crime? They own the property on which they have a Bible College; if you don't like their rules, then GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. Wheras the PR man from BJU gave Scriptural reasons for the rule, you all have been ripping up God's Word and ignoring the facts! Their saying that inter-racial dating is prohibited does not make them racist; Malcom X was against inter-racial marriage because it would mess up the African blood-line. He was a racist! I have no problem with people of other races; I just don't believe that God intended for all of them to inter-marry. And I give Scripture:
Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Genesis 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
They were directly disobeying God's command.
Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Problems with the Bible, anyone?
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25th July 2005, 04:46 PM
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Reps: 329,585 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Skeptical Effective March 3, 2000, Bob Jones III has rescinded the ban on interracial dating. This letter no longer reflects current policy and is provided for information purposes only.
My question is how could a Christian university have supported a policy like this through the dawn of the new millenium? Its this type of stuff that has really disillusioned people like me.
You're absolutely right. Their history of racism is dispicable.
The school has an open invitation for a man named Ian Paisley to speak there. About five or six years ago, I corresponded several times with Bob Jones III about their decision to invite Paisley, who has encouraged his followers to do violence to Catholics.
Rather than discussing the problem, I was called every name in the book and every accusation imaginable, no matter how idiotic, was thrown my way.
The school, as well as the Jones family, does have a connection with the Ku Klux Klan. This is discussed in much greater detail in, among other place, the book, "Politics, Society and the Klan in Alabama: 1915-1949".
Even being born and raised in the Deep South, I've never understood racism or the Klan but, if Democrats can make a Klansman their top guy in the Senate, in Robert "KKK" Byrd, maybe I'm the one who's wrong. |
25th July 2005, 04:56 PM
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Reps: 329,585 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MC1171611 Problems with the Bible, anyone?
Problems with the twisting of it to support racism.
OK. You say you're basing your racism on the Bible (and, call it what you want, it's racist). Would you please take a moment and read the account of Moses' marriage to the Cushite woman and the racial bigotry that his family exhibited. This is found in Numbers, chapter 12.
Go ahead. We'll wait...
...Oh, good. You're back.
Now, do you think that God was pleased with Miriam or angry with Miriam for her racism? |
25th July 2005, 05:07 PM
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Who accused them of commiting a "crime"? They own the property on which they have a Bible College; if you don't like their rules, then GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.  Wheras the PR man from BJU gave Scriptural reasons for the rule, you all have been ripping up God's Word and ignoring the facts! Not us. Their saying that inter-racial dating is prohibited does not make them racist; Malcom X was against inter-racial marriage because it would mess up the African blood-line. He was a racist! Both are racist. I have no problem with people of other races; That's a little dubious. I just don't believe that God intended for all of them to inter-marry. And I give Scripture:
See below. Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Gee, your quote here (Acts17:26) says that we're all made with one blood. What you emboldened would seem to say not that God was against interracial marriage but against immigration. Are you saying that God is against immigration? In that case, then your ancestors and mine are in trouble since humanity is in the habit of migrating. Genesis 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Sorry, I don't see the issue of interracial marriage here either. What I do see are people who were trying to reach God on their terms and not His. They were directly disobeying God's command
. By engaging in idolatry. Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth
. Exactly how does this speak to interracial marriage? Problems with the Bible, anyone?
Evidently, not with any of us......how about you? 
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25th July 2005, 05:19 PM
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Reps: 12,152,392,635,163,348 (power: 12,152,392,635,176) | | Originally Posted by MikeMcK Problems with the twisting of it to support racism.
OK. You say you're basing your racism on the Bible (and, call it what you want, it's racist). Would you please take a moment and read the account of Moses' marriage to the Cushite woman and the racial bigotry that his family exhibited. This is found in Numbers, chapter 12.
Go ahead. We'll wait...
...Oh, good. You're back.
Now, do you think that God was pleased with Miriam or angry with Miriam for her racism? Mike, I'd really be surprised if he returns and actually defends his remarks. He strikes me as being the post and run type, much like you see on secular message boards like Yahoo! and MSN. These folks make some outrageous comment and "leave", never to return to defend their contentions.
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25th July 2005, 07:01 PM
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Anyway, to set the record straight, I AM NOT A RACIST. I believe that God created one man and one woman; from these people came all people alive. All men and weomen are equal in God's eyes. I simply said that God set the bounds for the habitation of the earth, and that is why I don't believe in black and white people mixing. I am not saying that you will go to Hell if you marry someone other than your skin color, but the whole idea of "inter-racism" is perpetrated by our pagan, Godless society, along with "unisex." Again, I AM NOT A RACIST, NOR DO I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HELL BECAUSE YOU MARRY SOMEONE WITH A DIFFERENT SKIN COLOR THAN YOU. There, better?
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25th July 2005, 07:04 PM
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25th July 2005, 07:09 PM
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Reps: 883,099,189,110,672,256 (power: 883,099,189,110,707) | | Originally Posted by MC1171611 Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Meaning nothing in terms of breeding. That only means He chose to settle tribes where they would prosper. He knows where the good farmland is. Originally Posted by MC1171611 Genesis 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
The emphasis should be on and let us make us a name. Humanism. The lie that says, we don't need God, we're good enough without Him. God set up these barriers to humble humanity, and tore them down with Jesus Christ:
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28
"Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all." - Colossians 3:11 Originally Posted by MC1171611 Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
He never said what color of kids to have, nor that it mattered. Besides, this verse only proves that we all have common ancestry. Originally Posted by MC1171611 Problems with the Bible, anyone?
I have problems when people twist it in the name of racial purity. That is not even a Biblical concept. In the OT, what mattered was religious purity. Foriegners could marry Isrealites if they converted.
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