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20th July 2005, 05:24 PM
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Reps: 88,394,242,802,206,496 (power: 88,394,242,802,226) | | Originally Posted by flesh99 In his defence he has apologized for offending and now you have quoted it, which means his words will be here even if he edits his post.
Good point I didn't even think of that....as to his apology,if it was sincere then he would mind editing it.
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20th July 2005, 06:59 PM
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Reps: 10,442 (power: 26) | | Originally Posted by Robbie_James_Francis I don't suppose, "Because the Eastern Orthodox/Catholic Church says that you should," is going to be sufficient? 
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Um, no, but then I think you knew that already. 
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20th July 2005, 07:01 PM
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Reps: 10,442 (power: 26) | | Originally Posted by PassthePeace1 That is because you are not a priest, and havent recieved Holy Orders! This was given only to the apostles, and they passed on the Orders thru Apostolic Succession.
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I'm sorry but priests don't have authority to forgive peoples' sins unless they happen to be God. They cannot know the true state of a person's heart and mind. And please I've heard the "God does do the forgiving, through the priest" story, so not necessary here. I don't agree with that.
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Reps: 21,805 (power: 42) | | Originally Posted by Lynn73 I'm sorry but priests don't have authority to forgive peoples' sins unless they happen to be God. They cannot know the true state of a person's heart and mind. And please I've heard the "God does do the forgiving, through the priest" story, so not necessary here. I don't agree with that.
Lynn John 20 is clear the spirit filled believers can forgive sins. It says very clearly that if we forgive someone's sins that God forgives them. The priest offering forgiveness is in line with that scripture completely.
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20th July 2005, 07:11 PM
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Reps: 391,487,265,258,826 (power: 391,487,265,276) | | Originally Posted by Lynn73 Um, no, but then I think you knew that already.
Indeed. I am all too aware of the fact. 
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Reps: 391,487,265,258,826 (power: 391,487,265,276) | | Originally Posted by Lynn73 And please I've heard the "God does do the forgiving, through the priest" story, so not necessary here. I don't agree with that.
Maybe you don't agree...but we can still express our beliefs and hope that we can grow in mutual understanding. 
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20th July 2005, 07:24 PM
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Reps: 5,382,953,438,121,960 (power: 5,382,953,438,135) | | Originally Posted by ImSoBlessed Who says that another has the power to forgive or that you are forgiven by God by confessing to a priest?
Jesus. It is in the bible.
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20th July 2005, 07:26 PM
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Reps: 5,382,953,438,121,960 (power: 5,382,953,438,135) | | Originally Posted by Lynn73 I'm sorry but priests don't have authority to forgive peoples' sins unless they happen to be God.
Jesus said "Whos sins you for give, they are forgiven; whos sins you retain, they are retained."
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20th July 2005, 07:37 PM
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Reps: 1,819 (power: 10) | | Greetings flesh99, Originally Posted by flesh99 What about the scripture to confess your sins one to another? Are you going to ignore the commands given in scripture? We can see in John that sins can be forgiven by those filled with the Holy Spirit so nothing in the practice contradicts scripture. Why continue to argue against it?
How is it that most of you still do not see that there are apparently contradictory commands? Have you all noticed that these debates occur precisely because the Bible appears to give opposite commands even though this would be deemed impossible to obey? One person will provide New Testament scripture in support of one side then along comes someone to disagree and guess what? He has New Testament scripture to support his position too. And I keep scratching my head and say to myself "Neither side of the debate gets it". Ask the right questions and you might get an answer. |
20th July 2005, 07:38 PM
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Reps: 604,943,049,641,157,376 (power: 604,943,049,641,184) | | Originally Posted by ImSoBlessed why sholuld i confess my sins to a priest...i repent to God...i don't need to go to some nosy priest who gets off on knowing my dirty secrets.....
The Bible commands us to confess to each other our sins and to forgive each other. Or do you not accept the Bible's teaching?
Read Flesh99's post here:
Scripture does tell us to confess our sins one to another:
James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
One way of looking at it is simply that confessing to a priest is confessing to a professional so to speak. The penance is simply to insure contrition."
He seems to understand the apostolic understanding of what the Sacrament of Reconciliation is. It is a Confession that results in Absolution. You tell your priest or bishop your sins and by the Grace given to him or her by God, your soul is healed and rebegins its regeneration and you are forgiven. The cleric act as a conduate, just like asking a friend to pray for you relies on that friend as a medium between you and God. There is no difference.
And Confession is a voluntary act, though often of necessity. Partaking of the Body and Blood in sin is a vile, grave act.
Originally Posted by Flesh99 Also scripture tells us to be loving and the way you phrased the OP is frankly insulting to our Catholic bretheren. Priests are men of God just like any pastor and the implication you make in the OP is uncalled for and wrong. I urge you to change the OP in the interest of unity and love in the body of Christ."
It is more than a Vatican Catholic belief . Most Christians, including the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, us Anglicans, and Old Catholics also the same belief.
Originally Posted by ImSoBlessed but they use it different...its not just confessing but they believed that the priest cause forgive you after it is confessed...
The cleric is in Apostolic Succession. All priests, upon receiving Holy Orders, obtain the Grace in large part to act as an apostle today (really, it is the bishops that are actually the apostles of the times. Priests derived from bishops as a new office when bishops were stretched too thin, plus there was precedence in Scripture, as all bishops were elders(presbyters, Anglicized into "priests", but not all elders were bishops). This includes celebrating the Sacrament of Holy Communion as well as the Sacrament of Reconciliation.
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For You are the Lord Most High, of great compassion, long-suffering, and very merciful, and You relent at human suffering. O Lord, according to Your great goodness You have promised repentance and forgiveness to those who have sinned against You, and in the multitude of Your mercies You have appointed repentance for sinners so that they may be saved.
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