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20th July 2005, 07:48 PM
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20th July 2005, 07:51 PM
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they possesse ya very quicky
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20th July 2005, 09:34 PM
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Reps: 589 (power: 0) | | A note to mods--- (I understand that only Christians may reply to these threads. Although I do not identify myself as a Christian, I happen to know more about Christianity than most Christians I know. I feel it would be an injustice to delete this post for that reason.. Enough with the disclaimer.) I got this from another website…. I invite you to search under this topic if you wish to know the truth of the matter. How does the Ouija board work? New-Agey folks think you get messages from spirits or ghosts or Invisible Pink Unicorns or something. Yeah, sure. Here's the real explanation, from the Skeptic's Dictionary (http://skepdic.com/ouija.html): "those using the board either consciously or unconsciously select what is read." If you want to prove it to yourself, follow the advice of that same site: "simply try it blindfolded for some time, having an innocent bystander take notes on what letters are selected. Usually, the result will be unintelligible nonsense." | 
20th July 2005, 09:44 PM
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20th July 2005, 10:13 PM
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Reps: 21,757,583,424,010 (power: 21,757,583,433) | | | Im not going to bother debating that ouija boards are real or not, open mindedness is a virtue many christians wont accept. The bible implies not to deal with familiar spirits(the kjv translation of demons) chron33:6. there are many other verses but i just used a random one, others talk against channeling. So why does God say not to do that stuff? he calls it an abombination, look at the whole principal of the ouja board, the demons move through you and move the pallete thing, why does he tell us not to channel? There are various forms of possession, doing a ouja board once can(not just a can, will) get you possessed to a very small degree, the mroe you do them, the more possessed you get. The demons wont necessarily let you know your possessed at first, even with a small degree of possession, your personality can still be influenced. they might let the illusion of you talking to dead people continue until your so possessed that they can take your body, and then no one else would know the difference. in the bible it says the anointment of God, the holy spirit, gives us the ability to detect evil spirits. That is why i conclude(and many other reasons) that most of us do not have the holy spirit. But that the anointment of God is extremely valuble and that we are all underestimating the amount of work it would take to attain. Im not saying their are rules to how God works and the spiritual gifts he bestowes us with, becas paul plainly said that everyone has different spiritual gifts. But that we cant just live our lives, goto church, pay our tithes, and pray when we eat and expect to have anything whatsoever spiritual from God. We need to be focused on him all the time, thinking about him, basing our character on jesus, and glorifying him every time we get. Worship of God isnt going to church and singing praise songs, im sure God would rather have us miss 150 sabbaths than ignore the guy with the "will work for food" sign on the side of the street. We need to worship God with our actions, he is the only purpose in any of this. | 
20th July 2005, 10:52 PM
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Reps: 2,462 (power: 10) | | Originally Posted by Shizzle Im not going to bother debating that ouija boards are real or not, open mindedness is a virtue many christians wont accept. The bible implies not to deal with familiar spirits(the kjv translation of demons) chron33:6. there are many other verses but i just used a random one, others talk against channeling. So why does God say not to do that stuff? he calls it an abombination, look at the whole principal of the ouja board, the demons move through you and move the pallete thing, why does he tell us not to channel? There are various forms of possession, doing a ouja board once can(not just a can, will) get you possessed to a very small degree, the mroe you do them, the more possessed you get. The demons wont necessarily let you know your possessed at first, even with a small degree of possession, your personality can still be influenced. they might let the illusion of you talking to dead people continue until your so possessed that they can take your body, and then no one else would know the difference. in the bible it says the anointment of God, the holy spirit, gives us the ability to detect evil spirits. That is why i conclude(and many other reasons) that most of us do not have the holy spirit. But that the anointment of God is extremely valuble and that we are all underestimating the amount of work it would take to attain. Im not saying their are rules to how God works and the spiritual gifts he bestowes us with, becas paul plainly said that everyone has different spiritual gifts. But that we cant just live our lives, goto church, pay our tithes, and pray when we eat and expect to have anything whatsoever spiritual from God. We need to be focused on him all the time, thinking about him, basing our character on jesus, and glorifying him every time we get. Worship of God isnt going to church and singing praise songs, im sure God would rather have us miss 150 sabbaths than ignore the guy with the "will work for food" sign on the side of the street. We need to worship God with our actions, he is the only purpose in any of this.
Well despite your poor spelling and grammer, your point is well taken. I had a friend who did Ouija boards ended up haunting his house. God wants us to trust Him rather than fotune tellers. | 
21st July 2005, 08:51 AM
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Reps: 1,397,882 (power: 1,406) | | Good points Shizzle.
Like I said in a earlier post, been there, done that. It's not a game - you open yourself up to demonic oppression/possession. Please, please, please trust God and leave the board, cards, etc alone.
The mindset of it's just a game, you take things to serious, and thought similar are just traps set up by the enemy to steal, kill and destroy. He will go to any extreme using anyone or anything to pervert/corrupt your gifts, anointing and spirit.
Thank God for deliverance!!! | 
21st July 2005, 11:33 AM
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Reps: 7,948 (power: 17) | | Originally Posted by Shizzle Im not going to bother debating that ouija boards are real or not, open mindedness is a virtue many christians wont accept. The bible implies not to deal with familiar spirits(the kjv translation of demons) chron33:6. there are many other verses but i just used a random one, others talk against channeling. So why does God say not to do that stuff? he calls it an abombination, look at the whole principal of the ouja board, the demons move through you and move the pallete thing, why does he tell us not to channel? There are various forms of possession, doing a ouja board once can(not just a can, will) get you possessed to a very small degree, the mroe you do them, the more possessed you get. The demons wont necessarily let you know your possessed at first, even with a small degree of possession, your personality can still be influenced. they might let the illusion of you talking to dead people continue until your so possessed that they can take your body, and then no one else would know the difference. in the bible it says the anointment of God, the holy spirit, gives us the ability to detect evil spirits. That is why i conclude(and many other reasons) that most of us do not have the holy spirit. But that the anointment of God is extremely valuble and that we are all underestimating the amount of work it would take to attain. Im not saying their are rules to how God works and the spiritual gifts he bestowes us with, becas paul plainly said that everyone has different spiritual gifts. But that we cant just live our lives, goto church, pay our tithes, and pray when we eat and expect to have anything whatsoever spiritual from God. We need to be focused on him all the time, thinking about him, basing our character on jesus, and glorifying him every time we get. Worship of God isnt going to church and singing praise songs, im sure God would rather have us miss 150 sabbaths than ignore the guy with the "will work for food" sign on the side of the street. We need to worship God with our actions, he is the only purpose in any of this.
ya know i kinda resent the first sentence
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21st July 2005, 12:47 PM
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I got invited to this girls house for a sleepover and I think she's gonna bring out the board. What do I do if that happens?? | 
21st July 2005, 12:55 PM
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Reps: 1,397,882 (power: 1,406) | | | Tell her what you've learned about it and that they need to leave it alone. No matter what they say to you or about you do not participate. If they refuse to listen to you, leave the room and I would re-think spending the night.
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