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29th July 2005, 09:57 PM
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Reps: 756 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Warrior Poet No kidding....
Are there not many who claim to do that only to be proven wrong? If you dont know its ok to say so. God smiles on humility.
Read his "I dont know's" and then come give me the answers he cant.
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I just read the transcript, and think he came off very honest and sincere.
I'm still not sure why people have so many problems with him (this is only based on the 2 or 3 sermons I've heard, + the transcript I just read.) |
30th July 2005, 12:18 AM
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Reps: 18,126 (power: 33) | | | My personal thoughts are that he teaches a watered-down gospel and keeps folks from really studying the Word and seeking truth. I'm not sure if he is really a Christian. That's for the Lord to decide. I can only test him by Biblical standards and he doesn't seem to measure up.
Again, just my opinion, but I think people would be better off if they turned off the television and just prayed and read their Bibles.
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30th July 2005, 02:20 AM
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Reps: 756 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by OreGal I can only test him by Biblical standards and he doesn't seem to measure up.
All of us fall short. Originally Posted by OreGal ...I think people would be better off if they turned off the television and just prayed and read their Bibles.
The Bible tells us not to stay away from church. Osteen's ministry is not just one of 'television' is pastors a church.
One reason I go to church, is to gain a deeper understanding of biblical issues that I don't pick up on my own.
I'm not defending Osteen, as I really don't know anything about him. But I can't condem the man, either.
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30th July 2005, 02:38 AM
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Reps: 18,126 (power: 33) | | | I seriously doubt anybody here is claiming there are perfect pastors. However, we are called to test what we hear against the Bible. I found the man lacking and you find him within its bounds. If each and every person tests him against what they study daily in their Bibles, then we are all doing the right thing and should not sit in judgement of what another person does.
I've had others email me or message me saying they took my advice about shutting off the TV and diving into the Bible and it worked for them so while it may not be the right choice for some here, it may be a good thing for others.
God bless.
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30th July 2005, 03:18 AM
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Reps: 756 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by OreGal I found the man lacking and you find him within its bounds.
I've stated several times that I know little about the man, so you have no basis for your conclusion that I "find him within its bounds."
This alone, is cause to question YOUR discernment more than Mr. Osteen's. |
30th July 2005, 06:20 AM
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Reps: 18,126 (power: 33) | | | Good, then you'll have no problem with many of us saying to 'test the spirits'. Test what this man says. If you haven't tested what he says against the Bible, why are you defending him against those who have? Perhaps a better idea is to take what he says, compare it against the Bible, pray about it and then offer a rebuttal. I don't believe anybody has attacked him here and, certainly if his teachings are lacking, we should not keep that from other believers who may end up deceived.
I go back to what I said, each one of us is called on to test what we hear.
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30th July 2005, 03:33 PM
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Reps: 331 (power: 0) | | | I've been to see Joel preach in Houston, and I also saw him when he came to Chicago. I watch him every weekend on television. He's the best preacher I've ever heard. The reason people speak out against him is jealousy, pure and simple.
Lakewood Church has done a lot to help the less fortunate. People flock to see Joel preach because they're sick and tired of listening to the Pharisees every Sunday. If you think that Joel Osteen is a "prosperity gospel" preacher, then you have no idea what the "prosperity gospel" preachers sound like.
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30th July 2005, 06:12 PM
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Reps: 172,927,158,589,327,136 (power: 172,927,158,589,365) | | Originally Posted by FollowingJesus I just read the transcript, and think he came off very honest and sincere.
I'm still not sure why people have so many problems with him (this is only based on the 2 or 3 sermons I've heard, + the transcript I just read.)
Regarding a Preacher:
There are preachers who claim to follow Christ who will avoid "sound doctrine" (See 2 Timothy 4:1-8). Joel have said "I don't know" and similar responses on Larry King.... tells me that he is avoiding truths. Most honest preachers do NOT avoid truths.
Regarding followers:
There are many who profess to follow Christ seem to be unyielding to God's Word because they prefer to be surrounded by teachers who will tell them exactly what they want to hear. In 2 Timothy 4:3, "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
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30th July 2005, 08:12 PM
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Reps: 18,126 (power: 33) | | Originally Posted by JimfromOhio Regarding a Preacher:
.... tells me that he is avoiding truths. Most honest preachers do NOT avoid truths.
They do if they are trying to stay 'popular' and want their church bigger than the rest.
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30th July 2005, 11:12 PM
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Reps: 332,311 (power: 342) | | | You know, I think that everything Joel Osteen says is backed up bye the bible. The reason so many are against him is the fact that most people never thought that the bible could be taught so optimistically. I love hearing him speak because he always helps me think about God's vision for my life. Why would God not wan't me to live my best life, why would he not want me to achive the dreams he's put in me??? HE wouldn't, so case closed.
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