a challenge for creationists

Less bogus than asking for a fine grained transitional series with photos of each transition, but still fairly bogus.

If you believe all life was created at the same time, show us a fossil angiosperm in the Cambrian period. Angiosperms are the majority of vascular plants, so that should be easy.

I think the problem with this challenge will be that the fossil record was supposedly established during the flood. It doesn't really represent any timelines, other than that all the fossils are from pre-flood creatures. At least that's my understanding of the creationist position. It still doesn't explain why the fossil record is sorted the way it is though, and just the way we would expect if evolution was true.

Choccy

If it was established during a flood, finding an angiosperm, or even a dinosaur, in the Cambrian should be an unsurprising occurance.

I think the dinos could flee further away from the flood than less mobile creatures (yes, all of'em, every single one), at least that's what I've been told.

For plants? Hydrologic (is that a word?) sorting maybe? Should be easy to perform an experiment to test that hypothesis. Have any YEC's already done it?

Choccy

Yes. And their big, heavy, bloated bodies had magical properties which allowed them to float, gently above the waves.

While tiny little sponges sank like a rock.

Hmm, I'm starting to see why most YECs limit themself to evolution denial.

Choccy

Although your challenge is addressed to all creationists, it apparently assumes those challenged "believe all life was created at the same time"--which would probably be only the young earth creationists, since the YECies think that God created everything in only 144 hours of our time as measured looking back toward the initial time of creation. Other creationists accept the evidence of mainstream science.

Some people have speculated on the connection between the flood and the strata, etc. I doubt if you would entertain such speculations, however. Evolutionists only entertain bizarre speculation when it is done in the name of evolution.

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I am not a scientist, but I will say this that there is plenty of true evidence against evolution, a chief one being that Mutation's and Natural Selection both decrease genetic information, not increase like evolution claims.

In any case, even if there was all the "scientific" or "worldly" "evidence" for evolution, I wouldn't believe it because the word of God is truth, not man's opinion's and man's research.

But, true science evidence points to creation, not microbes-to-man evolution.

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Count me out of that generalization, Nick. I'll be glad to consider your speculation, no matter how bizarre. When all is said and done, if your speculation explains the geologic column as well as evolution does, and you do not have to resort to special pleading (i.e. "extra" miracles to move the plesiosaurs a few layers deeper than the dolphins), then I will give it two thumbs up. If the same hypothesis explains other readily observable features of nature (i.e. anatomical homology, biogeography, biochemical and genetic homology), again without special pleading, and does so as well as evolution, then you might get me to change sides! So go ahead - let's hear your speculation: that is, if you think it is up to critical examination...

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