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27th June 2005, 12:44 AM
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Reps: 63,538 (power: 78) | | Originally Posted by Scholar in training Do you think that Christians who believe in hell get joy from thinking that possibly their loved ones, their closest friends, who rejected God, who think that His justice should operate on a scale of how much good you did vs. how much wrong you did, will suffer torture in the life to come? Of course not. It's not as if Christians are feigning compassion.
I never said they get joy from it. (However, read my sig!) My gripe is with people who are outraged over "Stalin's" atrocities but are perfectly okay with the idea of eternal punishment. |
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Reps: 3,506 (power: 20) | | Originally Posted by Robby How many times do we have to tell you. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god(s). .
Or judgement day. Which of course would remove any worry about being judged for mass murder. The Soviet regimes was communist. That is what motivated the mass starvations, an economic and socialist policy.
Stalin and Hitler were both greatly influenced by Darwin's theory which led them to believe there was no God, and that oppression and extinction of the inferior was inevitable anyway. That is why after the widespread publication of the NT, such mass injustices and murder slow to a trickle, and where it is removed again in Communist states, evil and oppression spread like wildfire again.
Oh wait! It's just a huge coincidence that where there are no New Testaments, there is darkness, and where they are plentiful, there is "enlightenment." (What's ironic here is that on another thread there is a kid who supports socialism/communism and absolutely hates atheists!).
So? Let's discuss facts if you don't mind. And another thing.......according to your faith, the victims of Stalin, many of them, are roasting in eternal fire, sent there by your "loving" god. So stop shedding these crocidile tears for Stalin's victims. Its silly
No based on Peter's assertion that "it would be better for them if they had never heard," I don't believe that. One can hardly be better off in hell. They will hear and they will get to choose and repent just as you have.
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Reps: 5,036 (power: 17) | | Originally Posted by Robby I never said they get joy from it. (However, read my sig!) My gripe is with people who are outraged over "Stalin's" atrocities but are perfectly okay with the idea of eternal punishment.
So from the "however" in your statement above you are negating your previous comment??? As PeeWee in "PeeWee's BIg Adventure" once said, "everyone's got a big but."
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27th June 2005, 12:52 AM
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Reps: 3,506 (power: 20) | | Originally Posted by Robby I never said they get joy from it. (However, read my sig!) My gripe is with people who are outraged over "Stalin's" atrocities but are perfectly okay with the idea of eternal punishment.
Please don't misrepresent our position. We are only OK with punishing the guilty, not the innocent. And since we now know that atheists by their own admission will continue to sin against God and never repent, then eternal punishment is just- self-inflicted even.
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Reps: 63,538 (power: 78) | | So from the "however" in your statement above you are negating your previous comment???
I don't know personally of any christian who delights in hell. But ol' Jonathan Edwards did, though he's been gone for a couple hundred years. That's all I was saying.
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Reps: 14,338 (power: 26) | | Originally Posted by radorth Please don't misrepresent our position. We are only OK with punishing the guilty, not the innocent. And since we now know that atheists by their own admission will continue to sin against God and never repent, then eternal punishment is just- self-inflicted even.
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100 years of disbelief allow you to make a rash assumption, and then lead you to believe eternal punishment is justified? You need to work on your logic.
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Reps: 3,506 (power: 20) | | Originally Posted by franklin I think it's quite obvious you have gone off the edge here rad. How about showing your so called source of information where all these people were killed in the name of atheism.
Oh they weren't killed in the name of atheism. They were killed because that's what people do who do not have the NT or Christians around to tell them its wrong. That is why humans made so little social progress until the NT was published, and why they went backwards where it was not published. That is why Jefferson and Madison called themselves Christians, and why Christians first set the example of all the social rules we live by. This "but they weren't really atheists like us" argument is just simplistic.
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Reps: 70,596 (power: 79) | | Originally Posted by radorth Please don't misrepresent our position. We are only OK with punishing the guilty, not the innocent. And since we now know that atheists by their own admission will continue to sin against God and never repent, then eternal punishment is just- self-inflicted even.
Once again, Christian love shines through. Edited to add...
I have to thank you, Radorth. You've done atheism a great favor in unveiling the true nature of Christianity. |
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Reps: 32,903 (power: 51) | | Originally Posted by radorth Oh they weren't killed in the name of atheism. They were killed because that's what people do who do not have the NT or Christians around to tell them its wrong. This "but they weren't really atheists like us" argument is really simplistic.
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Um, being a Christian doesn't make someone a good person. Being an atheist doesn't make someone a bad person. There are people, and having faith in God/gods doesn't really seem to change the morality one way or another. |
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Reps: 5,036 (power: 17) | | Originally Posted by Vermithrax Once again, Christian love shines through.
What is love? Is it just a warm fuzzy feeling? Saying I'm okay, you're okay even if it's not true?
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