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Old 29th June 2002, 03:59 PM
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Idea useing vouchers

the surpreme cout ruled this past week that it is ok to

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Absolutely.  Why should my children be taught garbage I know is just that - garbage?  Why should I have to send my children to a substandard school just because we are in that school district?  Why should my tax dollars go to funding schools I do not like while I pay out of pocket to send my kids to a better school?
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I partially agree with what TC said. But I can see the validity of the other side of the argument. Why should the government use tax dollars to send kids to a school over which they have no control. They can't control curriculum, they can't control teaching standards. Hardly seems fair that they should pay for it but have no say in how the school is taught.
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Why do we expect tha tthe government should control what is taught?  The government is not supposed to be our master, and controlling what is taught or not taught is not in the limited powers given to the government.

 

Considering that the government controlled schools are lagging behind private schools and home schooling in the areas of reading writing and arithmetic, it's time to let others control.  This taxpayer feels short-changed!

 

Students will still have to pass entrance exams before they enter college, so the private schools still have to maintain the standards they already have in order to compete.

 

Speaking of competition, seems that is what the public school systems need.  If social engineering and history revisionism is the most important thing to the NEA controlled schools, fine,  parents will have a choice.
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"Considering that the government controlled schools are lagging behind private schools and home schooling in the areas of reading writing and arithmetic, it's time to let others control.  This taxpayer feels short-changed! "

First, private schools (including religious schools) can kick people out for having unsatisfactory grades, for causing trouble, or for not conforming to the rules of that school. The public school must keep every student, no matter how unintelligent or uninterested in school until they are 16. This will necessarily pull down the reading, writing, and arithmetic scores of public schools and artificially inflate the scores of private schools (who only have the "smart" kids left).

Second (this is how it is done in Canada), the private school boards receive money from the government, and are also allowed to take donations from private citizens and private churches. Public schools are only given money from the government, and they are not allowed to take such donations. So private/religious schools have better facilities, bigger classrooms, adequate funding for extracurricular activities, and can afford to pay more to keep better teachers around. The public schools have decrepit schools, not enough textbooks, often inadequate teachers, little access to computers or gymnasium facilities, etc. Again, this will result in higher scores in almost all areas in the private schooling system than in the public schooling system.

"Why do we expect tha tthe government <I>should</I> control what is taught?&nbsp; The government is not supposed to be our master, and controlling what is taught or not taught is not in the limited powers given to the government. "

I believe that the government should have at least some control over what is taught in schools. This will ensure students are at least taught well enough to enter the working world or university. I am not necessarily in favour of a state-wide (or province-wide) curriculum, but there should be some standards that must be met by all schools, and therefore some material must be taught by all schools. If a private school, for instance, refused to teach mathematics, should the government be able to force them to?
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Absolutely.&nbsp; Why should my children be taught garbage I know is just that - garbage?&nbsp; Why should I have to send my children to a substandard school just because we are in that school district?&nbsp; Why should my tax dollars go to funding schools I do not like while I pay out of pocket to send my kids to a better school?
I agree with you TC. The public school system is in a world of a mess.

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Ah, I see, you are Canadian!&nbsp; It's difficult to compare apples and oranges, and this school voucher issue is here in the land of Apples, or Oranges, whatever you prefer us to be.

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Students who are chronic problems can be sent to alternative school to remove them from the classmates that want to learn.

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It is possible to donate time, money and equipment to public schools, as well as private schools.&nbsp; Thee is no law here against that.

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Once again, the schools with direct government influence is the schools that prepare the students for their future the least, in this country, anyway.&nbsp; To say that the government is necessary to ensure the educational success of a school is like saying the flu is necessary to insuring the health of a human!

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I don't know how your schools are in Canada, but the NEA works hard at making the agenda of social engineering primary and the teaching of reading writing, arithmetic and the hard sciences secondary.&nbsp; It is a shame, as the youngsters depend on us adults to point them in the right direction.
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I have many friends still living in Cleveland, and they love the vouchure system, because they can see that their children get a good education, and not just baby-sat for 12 years. I hope Cleveland schools see this as a wake-up call and get busier about the busniess of education and better facilities, and less about the non-essentials like profiting from milk contracts and such. Too many politicians use the school board as a stepping stone to bigger things--an ruin the schools in the process.
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